The game makes quite a few nods that somewhat parallel or connect you to Talos, such as the Greybeards calling you Ysmir. Now I know that Ysmir means "dragon of the north" and not necessarily a direct meaning of the god Ysmir/Talos/Tiber Septim, but it seems that there are so many nods that connect you and him that it may make you him. In the reach you're called "Hjalti" which is one of the names of Talos, and he talks about how you and him had a battle bond, etc. Maybe this is due to the fact that you both are Dragonborn, but there may be more to it than that. You'll also notice that when you go to the Hall of Valor, there is no Talos or aspect of him. While this may be due to his ascent to godhood, the spirits make no reference to his existence, even though he is a Nord who was quite valiant and yet they didn't even bring up his existence, despite you being similar/the same person (The closest thing would be Tsun's comments when you use right of birth as your reason for going into HoV.) The fact that Talos worship is illegal, and the group who banned it are minor antagonists may also be a nudge in that direction, I suppose.

its a gift from akatosh

Talos himself was a dragonborn. But that's before he became a divine. Akatosh was the divine that had the aspect of a dragon. It's said that Akatosh gave the gift of the dragonborn to Talos, and same to you.

1. Only time I was referred to as Hjalti was doing a quest after sleeping in Tiber's old room at that inn. Other than that I don't recollect ever being called Hjalti.
2. Dragonborn(s) are all called Ysmir.
3. The Dominion banned Talos worship to weaken the Wheel of Convention.
4. I'm willing to bet that the warriors in the HoV do know Talos they just don't mention him in the game.

Like the above said its a gift the septims were wiped out during the oblivion crisis. The dovahkiin was gifted the power to defeat Alduin as (I predict) akatosh divine of time foresaw.

Yes, you are correct that the Dovahkiin is an aspect of Talos, and by extension, Shezarr and very likely Shor (he was very mysteriously absent in his own realm). Coupled with how it is always Shezarr/Shor/Lorkhan who happens to appear when mer and/or The God of Time threatens Mundus and humanity and saves it.

Also to note, the whole thing about it is only Akatosh who is in control of the dragons should be taken with a grain of salt. Remember, mortals are severely limited in the knowledge of the divines, and often cannot grasp the concept of what is really going on. Further, how can one tell the difference between a serpent and a dragon, when both are very much alike, or that The God of Space is the dragon that opposes The God of Time.

Also, there are reports that it was Shezarr who was the one who actually gave Alessia the AoK, not freshly made by Alessia Akatosh.

1. That's what I was referencing, and I was wondering if there was more to his thinking than the fact that you're Dragonborn.
2. Yes, I acknowledged that.
3. Yes, but was the fact that Bethesda threw that in to say how even though you're Talos, they are refuting the evidence? (Assuming you are Talos, that is.)
4. Yes, but maybe they thought that you were Talos, and they didn't feel it would be normal to talk to you as if you weren't who you are.



But Alduin is the firstborn to Akatosh, whose goal it was to end the world. The fact that Lorkhan/Shor tricked him into creating Mundus would show that it was an accident that Alduin was meant to fix. Then he sends the Dragonborn. Thus we can assume that either Akatosh changed his mind about ending the world, or that he only wanted to postpone it.



But since Akatosh is chief among the divines, couldn't he also just order Talos to return to Mundus in the form of the Dragonborn?

There is no "chief" among the divines. Akatosh didn't have any power over Talos. It's not exactly that simple to just "return" to Nirn. To have an aspect of Talos come to nirn, I just don't believe it. The dragonborn is his own person, not some aspect of Talos.

I don't think you are Talos or some sort of aspect of him.
1. Doubt it. Dragonborns probably give off some sort of power (in a way), with them sleeping in Tiber's room giving off the same kind of power the old ghost probably assumed (not like he actually 'looked' at your character)
2. No mention anywhere that you are Talos. Nor did the Dominion even reference Talos and your character as the same person. If they figured that they'd have just killed you.
3. Dragonborn (in essence) are the same. All of them are mortal Dov.

That point is probably going to stay purely speculation as we have no hard evidence of such. For all we know Alduin got power hungry and wanted to end the world. Plus, why then, would Paarthurnax been born? I'm sure Alduin could've destroyed the world all by himself.

No one can really know. I don't see the point of sending him back when he can call upon a new dragonborn like many times before.

Not so mysterious that Shor is missing, he is the Missing God after all.

In addition to calling you Ysmir, the Greybeards actually do name you Talos:

Naal Thu'umu, mu ofan nii nu, Dovahkiin, naal suleyk do Kaan, naal suleyk do Shor, ahrk naal suleyk do Atmorasewuth. Lingrah krosis saraan Strundu'ul, voth nid balaan klov praan nau. Meyz nu Ysmir, Dovahsebrom. Dahmaan daar rok.

"Strundu'ul" is Stormcrown in the Dragon tongue. "Talos" also means Stormcrown, in the old Atmoran language IIRC.

If s/he is the 7th, I'm interested to see what happens when s/he rejoins with Talos.

1. I respectfully disagree until a Bethesda official refutes me.
2. You may be able to read but comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? I meant did Bethesda, the company, throw in the whole "no Talos allowed" thing to make an ironic nod against Dragonborn-ism and you plausibly being Talos?
3. So... you are in essence Talos?

This is unrelated but if a dragonborn kills a dragonborn does that dragonborn asorb the dragonborns soul?

Probably, a Dragonborn is a mortal with a dragon's soul, so we can assume that one would absorb the other as he does with dragon souls in dragon bodies.

1. We'll have to see. Like many other things it will probably forever be a gray area.

2. (Well then, I'd suggest you write more clearly for someone like me to get your point.) Probably not. There is a whole separate reason as to why Talos is to be outlawed, relation to being dragonborn is completely different subject when concerning dragonborn status and the Dominion. Bethesda probably didn't make the 'ban Talos' thing to reference you possibly being Talos, more than likely it was in relation to the Thalmor and their plans.

3. Powerwise, possibly. Being his Aspect...no. Talos/Tiber Septim, probably wasn't the first dragonborn so I don't see why the PC would be his aspect. I know he ascended into godhood but that doesn't necessarily entitle him coming back as the dragonborn over and over again.

I don't think there is more than one dragonborn at a time. To answer that...you'd absorb a dragon soul since Dovakiin is a mortal dov.

Talos is probably a status name, like Ysmir.

I've always thought of the possibility that you could be an unknown aspect of Akatosh... I mean, if Alduin is the other aspect of Akatosh, you could argue that thee dragonborn(also called the last of the dragonborn as well, when you 1st get to the wall, you hear the end of that prophecy from Esmond mention this). And the part of Akatosh that is the beginning(or middle or some part of NOT the end of time) of time is fighting against his other aspect that is the end of time, which would also explain why you cant take his soul. I realize it is a stretch, but if the hearsay is actually true, there could be more aspects of Akatosh then we know of... /shrug

The full translation is "Long has the Stormcrown languished, with no worthy brow to sit upon. By our breath we bestow it now to you in the name of Kyne, in the name of Shor, and in the name of Atmora of Old. You are Ysmir now, the Dragon of the North, hearken to it." So it suggests that the Stormcrown is actually a some sort of crown and you the Dragonborn should wear it.

OP: I hope that what you're suggesting isn't true, that would just svck unbelievably. As for the old ghost at the Old Hroldan Inn, my guess is he's bat [censored] insane.



No, Talos is not a mortal Dov, he ascended to godhood.

Agreed.
Either he ascended into godhood or he Mantled Lorkhan either way its true that he isn't mortal anymore.

But he was to begin with. Ysmir and Talos are titles given to the Dovahkiin, the previous one being Hjalti Early-Beard, the man who became an Emperor called Tiber Septim and then a god called Talos.

Someone has been doing research.

I hope that's sarcasm, as I thought I was stating the obvious....

I think he was being serious.

Since I apparently have bad comprehension...what is your posts point?

I was highlighting that there's two states of Talos. Talos: a title given to Hjalti Early-Beard (who at the time was a mortal Dovahkiin) and Talos: The ninth Divine. So yes he was, but he didn't stay that way.

The Dragonborn is mantling Lorkhan/Shor, just as Talos did before. Resolving the Civil War either way is just the beginning. I'd bet good odds that Ulfric/Tullius may end up being part of this mantling as well.