Exactly how much influence does the thalmor have in the Empi : V

» Tue May 15, 2012 10:18 am

So it's been been mentioned a lot that the thalmor have influence over the emperor, now I know we don't know for sure, but I'm starting this topic so we can figure it out. So if anyone has any information about the thalmor and exactly how much power they have in the empire do share.

Note: this isn't a stormcloak vs. imperial forum, it's just for determining the relationship between the thalmor and imperials.

» Tue May 15, 2012 3:07 am

They have enough power to ban the worship of the God of men; so I'd say quite a bit

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:45 pm

They have enough power to ban the worship of the God of men; so I'd say quite a bit

Actually that was because the Empire was about to lose a war with them and made that deal to end the war.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:36 pm

Actually that was because the Empire was about to lose a war with them and made that deal to end the war.

That is why. It does not dispute what.

» Tue May 15, 2012 5:27 am

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW: Too much.

» Tue May 15, 2012 8:44 am

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW: Too much.

too much is any amount at all, but weather they have a little or a lot impacts my character in a major way.

» Tue May 15, 2012 8:17 am

too much is any amount at all, but weather they have a little or a lot impacts my character in a major way.

Same here. I was going all Empire until it was revealed that the Empire might be under Thalmor control. Now I don't know who to join.

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:50 pm

Ohh idk...knowing a little of the flow of TES Lore and the hints dropped in Skyrim. I would say anyone NOT an Altmer or rather Thalmor sympathizer probably wants to go Stormcloak, unless the Legion is in a state of removing the presence of the Thalmor..religiously(lol) in Skyrim or something.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:53 pm

Not under Thalmor control, but under a ceasefire according to the Blades. The only reason the Empire accepted a peace treaty is because they were losing the Great War badly and the Empire decided it is better to take a peace so they can fight again another day then be destroyed totally. It is the lesser evil. Im sure when the Empire has tended to its wounds and brought back Skyrim to its control, it will be ready to face the Thalmor again

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:35 pm

Not under Thalmor control, but under a ceasefire according to the Blades. The only reason the Empire accepted a peace treaty is because they were losing the Great War badly and the Empire decided it is better to take a peace so they can fight again another day then be destroyed totally. It is the lesser evil. Im sure when the Empire has tended to its wounds and brought back Skyrim to its control, it will be ready to face the Thalmor again

I so very much want to believe this! Are you certain that the Thalmor are not above the Legion in Skyrim? I want to kill the Thalmor and still be in the Legion, but I've heard that they might be allies, so I'm afraid I might get kicked out for killing allies.

» Tue May 15, 2012 12:03 am

Not under Thalmor control, but under a ceasefire according to the Blades. The only reason the Empire accepted a peace treaty is because they were losing the Great War badly and the Empire decided it is better to take a peace so they can fight again another day then be destroyed totally. It is the lesser evil. Im sure when the Empire has tended to its wounds and brought back Skyrim to its control, it will be ready to face the Thalmor again

You're assuming that the Thalmor will not break the treaty in some way, though. However, that's a completely legitimate concern. But considering the fact that the Stormcloaks have begun a rebellion, my guess is that the Empire is indeed already controlled by the Thalmor in some capacity.

» Tue May 15, 2012 3:35 am

You're assuming that the Thalmor will not break the treaty in some way, though. However, that's a completely legitimate concern. But considering the fact that the Stormcloaks have begun a rebellion, my guess is that the Empire is indeed already controlled by the Thalmor.

The Stormcloak rebellion is for Skyrim independence, they're not fighting against the Thalmor, they're fighting for their own freedom. If anything, the rebellion benefits the Thalmor because it only serves to weaken the Empire.

» Tue May 15, 2012 9:05 am

The Stormcloak rebellion is for Skyrim independence, they're not fighting against the Thalmor, they're fighting for their own freedom. If anything, the rebellion benefits the Thalmor because it only serves to weaken the Empire.

If the Empire is already controlled by the Thalmor, then they actually benefit from the rebellion being crushed. They can eventually consolidate power over the entire Empire, transfer it directly to the Aldmeri Dominion, and easily enslave/kill all men.

The Thalmor were at the player and Ulfric's failed executions in the intro. They want the Stormcloaks DEAD.

» Tue May 15, 2012 8:28 am

If the Empire is already controlled by the Thalmor, then they actually benefit from the rebellion being crushed. They can eventually consolidate power over the entire Empire, transfer it directly to the Aldmeri Dominion, and easily enslave/kill all men.

True, but I don't think the Empire is controlled by the Thalmor. The Concordat of White Gold was a peace treaty, not a surrender. The entire purpose of the peace treaty was to prevent the Empire from being controlled by the Thalmor if you ask me.

EDIT: They might be helping the Empire as part of the terms of the Concordat, so they want the Stormcloaks dead.

» Tue May 15, 2012 12:39 am

If anything, the rebellion benefits the Thalmor because it only serves to weaken the Empire.

The Thalmor have the Empire by the short hairs. An independent Skyrim is a bigger threat to them than the Empire is at this point.

» Tue May 15, 2012 2:24 am

The Thalmor have the Empire by the short hairs. An independent Skyrim is a bigger threat to them than the Empire is at this point.

Why? I'd think an Empire of Cyrodiil, Hammerfell, High Rock and Skyrim would be a bigger threat than Skyrim on it's own.

» Tue May 15, 2012 12:02 am

True, but I don't think the Empire is controlled by the Thalmor. The Concordat of White Gold was a peace treaty, not a surrender. The entire purpose of the peace treaty was to prevent the Empire from being controlled by the Thalmor if you ask me.

Geez kid, you need to study political history. There is such a thing as a PUPPET GOVERNMENT (ex.: Italy during the second half of WWII). The Thalmor and Empire signed a "treaty," which officially ended the war. Unofficially, it secretly gave the Thalmor control over some sector of the Empire (don't know this for sure, but it's sound logic). Since then, they've managed to wrangle away more power.

» Tue May 15, 2012 12:40 am

Why? I'd think an Empire of Cyrodiil, Hammerfell, High Rock and Skyrim would be a bigger threat than Skyrim on it's own.

Because the Empire won't fight them. Worse, they'll fight for them if asked.

» Tue May 15, 2012 7:57 am

If the Empire is already controlled by the Thalmor, then they actually benefit from the rebellion being crushed. They can eventually consolidate power over the entire Empire, transfer it directly to the Aldmeri Dominion, and easily enslave/kill all men.

The Thalmor were at the player and Ulfric's failed executions in the intro. They want the Stormcloaks DEAD.

Epic Spoiler

» Tue May 15, 2012 2:51 am

Geez kid, you need to study political history. There is such a thing as a PUPPET GOVERNMENT (ex.: Italy during the second half of WWII). The Thalmor and Empire signed a "treaty," which officially ended the war. Unofficially, it secretly gave the Thalmor control over some sector of the Empire (don't know this for sure, but it's sound logic). Since then, they've managed to wrangle away more power.

I don't see the Empire-Thalmor relationship like the Germany-Italy WWII relationship; I see it as more of how the Allies defeated Germany in WWI and the signing of the Treaty of Versailles similar to the Concordat of White Gold. However, no one knows if the Empire is under Thalmor control or simply giving in to them to prevent an invasion and occupation.

Because the Empire won't fight them. Worse, they'll fight for them if asked.

Hmm, I guess that makes sense. Is the Empire biding it's time though, or are they truly crippled to such a state that they won't ever oppose the Thalmor again?

» Tue May 15, 2012 12:23 am

The Stormcloak rebellion is for Skyrim independence, they're not fighting against the Thalmor, they're fighting for their own freedom. If anything, the rebellion benefits the Thalmor because it only serves to weaken the Empire.

If the Thalmor's only goal is to destroy the Cyrodiil Empire itself than yes I suppose the Stormcloak rebellion would only held the Thalmor.

But what Chomsky stated and what I've read in the The Infernal City, the Thalmor want to hit the reset button on the world and exterminate mankind basically. Using the legions to secretly carry out their agenda, etc...

» Tue May 15, 2012 5:22 am

If the Thalmor's only goal is to destroy the Cyrodiil Empire itself than yes I suppose the Stormcloak rebellion would only held the Thalmor.

But what Chomsky stated and what I've read in the The Infernal City, the Thalmor want to hit the reset button on the world and exterminate mankind basically. Using the legions to secretly carry out their agenda, etc...

Okay, I'm officially a Stormcloak supporter now. I read about Imperial Legion soldiers wearing full sets of Elven Armour, and since the Thalmor are allied with the Imperials I doubt they just killed them and wore their armour. That was enough to convince me that the Empire is way too friendly with the Thalmor for my liking, or even tolerance.

» Tue May 15, 2012 5:36 am

This is all quite confusing because if the thalmor want to kill all men then why would they want a puppet government shouldn't they just invade Cyrodiil. Also it seems odd that the empire would enter alliance with the thalmor since they had a huge war. Logically after signing the treaty things would be very tense and the two nations would be on the break of war again since the whole point of the treaty was so the empire could fight another day.

» Tue May 15, 2012 12:34 am

All of you people are so white and black minded! The empire had a choice, Die and be killed or enslaved, Or do something evil to live another day And probally save MILLIONS Of lives!

» Tue May 15, 2012 2:00 am

All of you people so white and black minded! The empire had a choice, Die and be killed or enslaved, Or do something evil to live another day And probally save MILLIONS Of lives!

Dude, where have you been the last Era?
The Empire is crumbling. A warlord was never fit to take the throne in the first place, If Mede didn't take over, the Thalmor wouldn't be even near the legion.