I have a new respect for Bethesda and programmers in general. As I just started learning C++ and dIscovered that
deciphering code is teatyas even when it is your own code. Debugging that code is even more of a chore and reading statment
after statment dose hurt the eyes. So if deciphering your own code is difficalt and teatyas. Then deciphering others code must be even more so...

And we won't even write about what it takes to transend from one console to another from your original code to PS3 or XBOX 360 or what ever your programming.
So before one gose off on a tangent about any game not work correctly as they incounter bug after bug that the above Statment = True and with games as big as The Elder Scrolls.
We need to under stand that debugging is a pain in the back side....

So big Kudos to you Bethasda and other programmers out their and you Moders as well. I apresheate your efforts.... :thumbsup:

But there's a problem with every aspect of this game, I just find it hard to appreciate any of the work gone into it other than the lore. I mean literally everything about the game at the moment is potentially breakable. I've only got enjoyment out of reading the many books in-game.

i would agree with everything you said, if they were doing what they do as some kind of charity, and not charging anything.....THEN, people would have no right to complain(in respect to the ps3 gamebreaking issues)

[They did a great job with this game. It still needs to be patched and balanced but I think its a masterpiece

:D

the only enjoyment you have got thus far from playing skyrim is reading the in game books? You are missing out big time pal

You're just starting? Wait until you coding things that are more than 100 lines of codes. The types of errors that pop up can drive you mad trying to look for them. Imagine how the developers feel sifting through tens of thousands of lines of code.

I will have some respect when their promises will sound something like: We will have some crippling bugs on release and numerous annoying ones, but we will get to fixing them eventually.

Tedious? You mean tedious?

Completely agree, Bethesda shouldn't have to release a complete game due to tedium.

Agreed OP. People don't seem to grasp just what is going on unbeknownst to us with this/these game/s.

I couldn't do what they do. I'd be "climbing towers", so to speak. (Read: go nuts and lose it.)

It's an amazing game, without patches.

Cheers

Yeah...No. Except they are well paid professionals and it is their job to do a decent work, be difficult or not. Besides bad coding it is just one of the many things of beth mistakes.

Oh..let's not forget the fact that amateur modders do a better job than them, and they are not even paid.

And it's my fault the game is completely broken from the ground up? That I pre-ordered the game yet have only managed to play it for one week before giving up? Am I using an older graphics card than yours? Do I need to get more RAM? Maybe I should get nitro cooling? Oh wait, I'm using a PS3.

Those modders aren't working in the code though. gamesas works in the core code of the game. Modders make a mode to alter a specific portion of the code. Basically like putting a bandage on something. Sure the bleeding stopped, but you are still injured.

no I just mean even if it is completely broken, the little bits of other stuff you got to do must have afforded you some slither of enjoyment, no? Like the combat - surely it is still fun in and of itself for that moment, even if the game proceeds to explode in your face a second later. Just seems a bit of a rash thing to say, I get the impression you are just really (and obviously justifiably) pissed off with the bugs and thus are saying extreme things : P

This.

Also, they shouldn't sell their product until it's actually finished!

I caught that as well. I laughed out loud.

I'm always so glad when I read these threads that I picked up the premium edition with almost no bugs and my hardware always seems to be the right one. Seriously they probably thought it was as good as they could make before it hit the wide world. Since I've played 3 different TES games on four different systems and never had any of the game breaking bugs it seems to me thet did a pretty good job but couldn't anticipate every different configuration. If the console version is bad out I'll give you Bethesda needed to work it out but I get tied of the evil lazy Bethesda retoric.

I have respect for my bathtub too.

lmfao go make a game like this then and come back with zero bugs if its so easy. When you have to use a multitude of functions involved in creating games, the easiness of C++ disappears rather quickly. Now kindly, shut up.

I have a new respect for my Heart Surgeon, he did an awesome job, other than the sponge he left in my chest cavity and the virus he gave me because he neglected to wash his hands.


Other than that, the guy is a freakin awesome surgeon.





Only in this stupid world of gaming does this level of schlock get passed off as professional and normal.



Lag aside..

The lazy coding and many many quest bugs is just pathetic. To not even address the quest problems at this point after the release just shows the disdain Bethesda has for its customers. They know they will continue to make buckets of money and they just don't care about the trash they put out.

You shoul then make the biggest KUDOS to Naughty Dog Studios , as they develope on a much more difficult machine wich is PS3 and they come out with Top quality above every other game Company ....

I refuse to believe that Skyrim was (or is, since it hasn't finished development yet) harder to develop than so many other working games out there. True, there's much more content in it than in almost any other game, but given a more lenient deadline, any competent developer could have combed out many of the flaws that plague Skyrim, and actually make it an enjoyable and, above all, playable game (it need not be absolutely perfect from a technical standpoint, but there are just too many bugs at this point).

Well since you seem to know how Bethesda operates, why buy any of the games they make, or better yet, why even be here on the boards at all.

That doesn't excuse them from releasing a broken product.