Help with FCOM install : IV

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:31 am

Hello,

I think i messed up the MMM portion of the install.

Ive installed all the components on the FCOM list and ran wyre bash and then Boss. The Boss log has a lot of errors and most of them are related to MMM.
After trying to figure out what the cause was I think I installed it wrong.

I exported the MMM.bas and then copied the files into the data folder, rather then copying the MMM.bsa file itself into the data folder and renaming it.

So my first question is how do I undo this if that is in fact the problem.

and two after renaming the MMM.bsa file how do I know which of the other 3 files to rename.
I can post the BOSS log if that helps anyone.

Thanks for all your help.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:53 pm

Read http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=guides_mod_installation&subpage=fcom_installation_guide.

I recommend installing with either OBMM or BAIN. If you are doing manual, you will be running into problems very soon.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:43 pm

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1119325-50steps-to-stable-fcom/

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:59 am

Thanks for the quick replys. I think you misunderstand my post. I have already completely installed FCOM. My problem is that I'm pretty sure I installed MMM improperly and Its resulting in a lot of errors in my BOSS log. how do I undo what I did as stated in my original post so I can install it properly?

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:52 pm

The reason this is happening is because FCOM replaces some of the things in MMM so the MMM ones are not necessary/will mess your game up. The esp's your boss log are telling you are messing up need to be deleted. I assume it says something along the lines of !!!FCOM install error!!!, right?

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:58 am

Based on your first post it's quite hard to decipher what might have gone wrong with the install, but I guess you have MMM esps that shouldn't be used with FCOM, as samuro_ said. What do you mean with "how do I know which of the other 3 files to rename"? You should only rename the bsa.

Anyway, check the Quick Install Guide for MMM 3.7b3 in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1116296-relz-martsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/. Also, post your load order via Wrye Bash: right-click File-header > List mods > Paste into post.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:30 pm

Ok thanks that makes sense.

I think the reason Im confused and you misunderstand is because I dont have just one file anymore(the MMM.bsa) I opened the MMM.bsa file and exported its contents to my desktop then copied them into the data folder.

So should I just go through and delete all the files the BOSS log says to delete?

Also the reason I mentioned 3 other files is I was confused by this...
2] Select 'Mart's Monster Mod.esm' (If using OOO also select MMMforOOO.esm)
3] Select ONE of the following:
'Mart's Monster Mod.esp' - And Rename MMM.bsa to Mart's Monster Mod.bsa
*OR*
'Mart's Monster Mod for Frans.esp' - And Rename bsa to Mart's Monster Mod for Frans.bsa
*OR*
'Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp' - And Rename bsa to Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.bsa
:
For FCOM_Convergence - Rename bsa to FCOM_Convergence_Mart's Monster Mod.bsa
Because again I didnt use the BSA file I opened it.

And thanks for all the help I really appreciate it. Im new to all this but i have spent the last 2 days reading all the instruction threads and guides. I'm sure Ive mad mistakes but its not for a lack of understanding but more just never using these programs before. so thanks.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:43 pm

Ok thanks that makes sense.

I think the reason Im confused and you misunderstand is because I dont have just one file anymore(the MMM.bsa) I opened the MMM.bsa file and exported its contents to my desktop then copied them into the data folder.

So should I just go through and delete all the files the BOSS log says to delete?

Also the reason I mentioned 3 other files is I was confused by this...
2] Select 'Mart's Monster Mod.esm' (If using OOO also select MMMforOOO.esm)
3] Select ONE of the following:
'Mart's Monster Mod.esp' - And Rename MMM.bsa to Mart's Monster Mod.bsa
*OR*
'Mart's Monster Mod for Frans.esp' - And Rename bsa to Mart's Monster Mod for Frans.bsa
*OR*
'Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp' - And Rename bsa to Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.bsa
:
For FCOM_Convergence - Rename bsa to FCOM_Convergence_Mart's Monster Mod.bsa
Because again I didnt use the BSA file I opened it.

Here is the List

Spoiler

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No Fiends.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]62  Mart's Monster Mod - No Werewolves.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]63  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]64  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]65  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]66  Mart's Monster Mod - No Uberhulks.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]67  Mart's Monster Mod - No Skeep.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]68  Mart's Monster Mod - No Balrogs.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]69  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6A  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6B  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6C  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6D  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6E  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6F  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]70  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]71  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]72  Mart's Monster Mod.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]73  Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]74  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]75  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]76  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]77  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]78  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]79  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]7A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]7B  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]7C  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]7D  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]7E  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions MMM+Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]7F  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]80  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]81  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]82  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]83  FCOM_VanillaItemReleveler.esp84  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]85  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]86  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]87  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]88  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]89  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]----> MISSING MASTER: Jog_X_Mod.esm----> MISSING MASTER: thievery.esp8A  Knights.esp8B  Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]8C  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]8D  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]----> MISSING MASTER: Blood&Mud.esp8E  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]8F  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Mighty Umbra.esp90  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Blood&Mud.esp91  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]92  FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Blood&Mud.esp93  FCOM_Ruin.esp  [Version 0.9.9]94  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp95  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Origin of the Mages Guild.esp96  FCOM_OMGSRT.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Origin of the Mages Guild.esp97  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp98  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm99  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Fran Armor Add-on.esp9A  300_Test.esp  [Version 0.9.2]9B  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]9C  Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp9D  Item interchange - 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Lichs Lair.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Unique Dungeons - Lost Glory.esp----> MISSING MASTER: DLCBattlehornCastle.esp----> MISSING MASTER: CybiadesDungeon.esp----> MISSING MASTER: The Lost Spires.esp----> MISSING MASTER: TOTF.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Blood&Mud.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulStendarrValley.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulChorrolHinterland.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulAncientRedwoods.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulArriusCreek.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulRollingHills_EV.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulImperialIsle.esp----> MISSING MASTER: bartholm.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Slof's Dogs.esp----> MISSING MASTER: MidasSpells.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp9E  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]----> MISSING MASTER: Cybiades.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Qarls_Harvest.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm----> MISSING MASTER: TamrielTravellers.esm----> MISSING MASTER: DremoraCompanion.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Better Cities Resources.esm----> MISSING MASTER: More_Animals.esp----> MISSING MASTER: More_Vegetables.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Wogs!.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Crowded Cities 15.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Crowded Cities 30.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Crowded Roads.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Crowded Roads Advanced.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Crowded Roads Advanced less crowded.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Choices and Consequences.esp----> MISSING MASTER: C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp----> MISSING MASTER: PersuasionOverhaul.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Thieves Arsenal.esp----> MISSING MASTER: DLCThievesDen.esp----> MISSING MASTER: ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp----> MISSING MASTER: TIE.esp----> MISSING MASTER: T.I.E4MODS.esp----> MISSING MASTER: ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp----> MISSING MASTER: ClocksOfCyrodiilBC.esp----> MISSING MASTER: ClocksOfCyrodiilOBC.esp----> MISSING MASTER: ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Ivellon.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Ancient_Goblin_City-4843.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Blackrock_Mountain-4489.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Lair_of_the_Hydra-4490.esp----> MISSING MASTER: MiniCyrodiil.esp----> MISSING MASTER: snowglobe.esp----> MISSING MASTER: The Ayleid Steps.esp----> MISSING MASTER: The_Dragon_Citadel-6178.esp----> MISSING MASTER: The_Tower_of_the_Lich_King-4492.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Unique Dungeons - Lichs Lair.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Unique Dungeons - Lost Glory.esp----> MISSING MASTER: DLCBattlehornCastle.esp----> MISSING MASTER: CybiadesDungeon.esp----> MISSING MASTER: The Lost Spires.esp----> MISSING MASTER: TOTF.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Blood&Mud.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulStendarrValley.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulChorrolHinterland.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulAncientRedwoods.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulArriusCreek.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulRollingHills_EV.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp----> MISSING MASTER: xulImperialIsle.esp----> MISSING MASTER: bartholm.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Slof's Dogs.esp----> MISSING MASTER: MidasSpells.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp9F  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp  [Version 0.76]----> MISSING MASTER: DLCfrostcrag.espA0  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.76]----> MISSING MASTER: DLCfrostcrag.espA1  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Spire Revisited.esp  [Version 0.76]----> MISSING MASTER: DLCFrostcrag.espA2  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.76]----> MISSING MASTER: More_Vegetables.esp----> MISSING MASTER: TIE.espA3  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.76]----> MISSING MASTER: More_Vegetables.esp----> MISSING MASTER: TIE.espA4  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]A5  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]A6  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]A7  bgBalancingEVNoSIVersion_Core_still_required.esp  [Version 10.5DV-D]A8  bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp  [Version 10.0UV-U]A9  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]AA  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]AB  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]AC  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]AD  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Vanilla.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]AE  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]AF  bgBalancingEVOptionalHalvedMagicka.esp  [Version 9.1EV-U]B0  bgBalancingEVOptionalWeaker.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]B1  bgBalancingEVOptionalWeakerOrcs.espB2  bgBalancingOptionalNoRaceDisp.esp  [Version 9.0UV-U]B3  bgBalancingVanillaGMSTArmorPenalty.esp  [Version 9.0UV-U]B4  bgBalancingVanillaGMSTMagickaPerInt.esp  [Version 9.0UV-U]B5  bgBalancingVanillaGMSTMagickaRegeneration.esp  [Version 9.0UV-U]B6  bgBalancingVanillaGMSTSpellCostProgression.esp  [Version 9.0UV-U]B7  bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.espB8  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification Better Redguards.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]B9  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]BA  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]----> MISSING MASTER: Kvatch Rebuilt.esmBB  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]----> MISSING MASTER: bgMagicEV.espBC  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]----> MISSING MASTER: bgMagicEV.espBD  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]----> MISSING MASTER: bgMagicEV.espBE  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]BF  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]C0  Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.espC1  Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp  [Version 4.2.2]C2  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]C3  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]----> MISSING MASTER: Qarls_Harvest.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Better Cities Resources.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm----> MISSING MASTER: ICEXPAND.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Imperial City Waterfront Tunnel Entrance.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Better Imperial City.esp----> MISSING MASTER: MidasSpells.esp----> MISSING MASTER: morerunes' food collection.esm----> MISSING MASTER: The Clean Plate.esp----> MISSING MASTER: BrewHouse.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Bosmer Meat Mandate.esp----> MISSING MASTER: eek's Cooking Mod - Demo.esp----> MISSING MASTER: XiaValentinesDayGift07.esp----> MISSING MASTER: AliveWaters.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Cooking Mod v1.1 - Nuhmbuh1.esp----> MISSING MASTER: More_Vegetables.esp----> MISSING MASTER: CMOvens.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Mud Crabs!.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Mud Crabs!_MMM.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Soup01b.esp----> MISSING MASTER: D3Y_CulinaryMod_v1.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Rays Hunting System v1.esp----> MISSING MASTER: OMP-NewFood.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Shads Hunting & Fauna.esp----> MISSING MASTER: coffeeshop.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Cannibalism.esp----> MISSING MASTER: JQ-PizzaShop.esp----> MISSING MASTER: OblivionFarmer'sMarket3.esp----> MISSING MASTER: OblivionFarmer'sMarket3NoHungry.esp----> MISSING MASTER: More_Animals.esp----> MISSING MASTER: TamrielSnacks11-DV.esp----> MISSING MASTER: TamrielSnacks11-EV.esp----> MISSING MASTER: tchos' breakfast food.esp----> MISSING MASTER: GreatForestMarket.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Obicos_Ingredient_Increaser_v11-5131.esp----> MISSING MASTER: TSPPies_in_Cyrodiil.esp----> MISSING MASTER: lumi_alchemyexpanded.esp----> MISSING MASTER: sixlivion.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Shads Coffee.esp----> MISSING MASTER: MrPwners Cooking v0.1.esp----> MISSING MASTER: hunters_bounty.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Duke Patricks - Basic Exhaustion Plus Encumbrance And Sleep.esp----> MISSING MASTER: CDM-The Necromantic Experience.esp----> MISSING MASTER: LadyLis_dainties.esp----> MISSING MASTER: LadyLis_Leckerli.esp----> MISSING MASTER: CDM-Scavenge Corpse.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Bakery_Brewery01.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Cybiades.esm----> MISSING MASTER: npc with jobs.esm----> MISSING MASTER: CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm----> MISSING MASTER: CLS-Craftybits.esm----> MISSING MASTER: ElsweyrRiverhold.espC4  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]C5  Bashed Patch, 0.espC6  FCOM_NewItemsTemplate.esp  [Version 0.9.4]C7  Cobl Mort Demo.esp  [Version 1.22]C8  FCOM_FranItemRelevelerALL.esp----> MISSING MASTER: OUTPUT_Francesco's leveled creatures-items mod.esmC9  bgBalancingOptionalHalvedMagickaRegeneration.esp  [Version 10.5UV-U]

And thanks for all the help I really appreciate it. Im new to all this but i have spent the last 2 days reading all the instruction threads and guides. I'm sure Ive mad mistakes but its not for a lack of understanding but more just never using these programs before. so thanks.

For FCOM_Convergence - Rename bsa to FCOM_Convergence_Mart's Monster Mod.bsa

So it's only the bsa that should be renamed. With FCOM you use FCOM_Convergence.esp rather than any of the MMM for X esp's. Sounds like a bad idea to extract the bsa - most users rather appreciate the bsa as it makes install/uninstalls easier. If having done so, you obviously don't need the bsa and thus not to rename it either. Don't have time to check the load order right now, but I'm sure others will give advice on that.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:27 pm

Thanks arkngt thats exactly what I thought I did wrong.

Should I just delete the files BOSS tells me to delete to resolve this issue or is there a way to dlete all the MMM files I manually install wrong with out having to start all over again?

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:18 pm

Thanks arkngt thats exactly what I thought I did wrong.

Should I just delete the files BOSS tells me to delete to resolve this issue or is there a way to dlete all the MMM files I manually install wrong with out having to start all over again?

I'd recommend starting from scratch and use the BSA instead of extracting its contents. As for the esp's, simply delete the ones BOSS complains about.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:30 am

Having the bsa extracted will not effect the gameplay whatsoever. I have every single bsa extracted on my system and I have removed their entry in my ini file and my game works wonderfully. You shouldn't need to reinstall the game just on account of the bsa that's for sure. It sounds like you have a problem with the wrong esps being activated. You don't need to delete them, just make sure they are not loaded when you start your game (by unchecking them).

I would recommend learning how to use Wrye's anneal feature in your bain installers tab, as it will help you keep track of what data files are being installed and can "undo" any damage that you can potentially cause when you install textures, meshes etc.

I can't help you install FCOM because I don't use it sorry.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:19 pm

Having the bsa extracted will not effect the gameplay whatsoever. I have every single bsa extracted on my system and I have removed their entry in my ini file and my game works wonderfully. You shouldn't need to reinstall the game just on account of the bsa that's for sure. It sounds like you have a problem with the wrong esps being activated. You don't need to delete them, just make sure they are not loaded when you start your game (by unchecking them).

I would recommend learning how to use Wrye's anneal feature in your bain installers tab, as it will help you keep track of what data files are being installed and can "undo" any damage that you can potentially cause when you install textures, meshes etc.

I can't help you install FCOM because I don't use it sorry.

True, but I'd still recommend an uninstall/reinstall, especially if the BSA was extracted manually. Also, no reason to keep unusable esp's so might as well remove them.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:22 am

Ok I reinstalled everything as instructed and have no errors in BOSS log. However now that its all done when I try to run Oblivion it opens a black screen then closes it and nothing happens.

Did I mess something else up? Im not sure what to look for.

Here is my new List Order

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]08  DLCShiveringIsles.esp09  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  MOBS SI.esp  [Version 1.2.2a]0A  MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.2.2a]0B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0F  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm10  DLCOrrery.esp11  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]12  DLCVileLair.esp13  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]14  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp15  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]16  DLCThievesDen.esp17  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]18  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]19  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]1A  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]1B  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp1C  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1E  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]1F  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]20  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]21  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]22  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm23  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm24  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]25  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]26  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp27  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]28  DLCFrostcrag.esp29  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2A  Knights.esp2B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]2C  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]++  Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp2D  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]2E  Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]2F  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]30  Bashed Patch, 0.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:49 pm

You've forgotten to install Mart's Monster Mod. See the

----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm

?

No FCOM without MMM... also you can add Warcry.

Read http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=guides_mod_installation&subpage=fcom_installation_guide for a how to guide. I hope you are using Wrye Bash or OBMM to install this...

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:51 am

What anithinks said (except I can't vouch for the guide as I haven't read it). Also:

04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33] - Update to 1.34 Beta 5. It's required.

++ MOBS SI.esp [Version 1.2.2a] - Consider using OMOBS instead. OOO uses OMOBS so it's more congruent to use it in FCOM games.
0A MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.2.2a] - Skip. I think you already get all those settings with FCOM so no need.

----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm - What anithinks said.

20 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33] - Update as said.

++ FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3] - Only use one of these.
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

++ Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp - Might consider Progress, which gives complete control over skill rates and also works as a platform for some nice addons.

So fix the above and rebuild the Bashed Patch.

EDIT: I'd recommend focusing on a core FCOM install for now, but when you get it up and running you might want to check out http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1112992-relz-zutheskunks-shivering-isles-overhaul-v01/. It makes SI much harder generally and makes SI feel congruent with FCOM Cyrodiil. Also, works fine with MMM SI. Not sure about how it works with Fran's SI when I think about it. Anyway, much recommended.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:01 pm

Thanks guys thats a big help.

I must have forgotten to install the OOO 1.34 Beta 5 files this time, so I will do that.

Should I install OMOBS instead of MOBS(meaning should I just delete the MOBS files and Replace with OMOBS)?

I installed Warcry Im not sure why it isnt showing up... I'll reinstall it and update it again.

I also installed MMM but I think I know why it isnt seeing it so Ill fix that too. Because of the Order issues with MMM if I reinstall it will that mess up things I'm suppose to install after that step? Or can I just reinstall those files?

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:35 am

I followed your fixes and I think I got it all installed right. I'm still not sure what I'm doing with the bashed patch but I kinda mulled through it and managed to run Oblivion for an hour with no problems. Im not really clear on the whole activated and not thing what to check and what not to. I ran BOSS and let it do its thing.

I'll post my new list if anyone can check it for me that would be great.

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0F  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]10  DLCOrrery.esp11  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]12  DLCVileLair.esp13  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]14  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp15  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]16  DLCThievesDen.esp17  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]18  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]19  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]1A  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]1B  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp1C  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1E  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]1F  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]20  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]21  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]22  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]23  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]24  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]25  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]26  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]27  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]28  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]29  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2A  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]2C  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]2D  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp2E  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2F  DLCFrostcrag.esp30  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]31  Knights.esp32  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]33  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]34  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]++  Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp35  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]36  Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp37  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Also I had a few questions of things I'm unclear about.

I didnt use OMOD for anything when do I need to use this?
Do I need to have wrye bash running while Im playing Oblivion?
How would I go about installing other recommend mods?
Should it be done with OMOD or do i add them into wrye bash and rebuild a new bashed patch?

Thanks for any help. Ive been reading all kinds of posts and guides and Im just a little unclear.

» Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:10 am

Also I had a few questions of things I'm unclear about.

I didnt use OMOD for anything when do I need to use this?
Do I need to have wrye bash running while Im playing Oblivion?
How would I go about installing other recommend mods?
Should it be done with OMOD or do i add them into wrye bash and rebuild a new bashed patch?

Thanks for any help. Ive been reading all kinds of posts and guides and Im just a little unclear.

1) What do you mean by "Not using OMOD"? Did you use Wrye Bash's BAIN feature for installing FCOM, or did you use OBMM? OBMM makes its own compressed files called OMODs, that you double-clik on to install/uninstall.
2) No, wrye bash should not be running while playing oblivion.
3) and 4) So what did you use to install FCOM? Use the same utility (Wrye Bash or OBMM) to install other mods...
4) whatever you do, it is recommended that you BOSS your LO and build the bashed patch through Wrye bash after adding any new mod (it will take time). Make sure you are updating the BOSS masterlist also before BOSSIng your load order. Remmember that it is possible that you use OBMM to add/install mods and Wrye Bassh just to build bashed patch (many users here do that). I recommend using Wrye Bash to do everything....