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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:56 am

Title says it, wth is going on? Alissia was the first, she recieved the gift directly from Akatosh. There should not be anyone else in the whole world who was secretly "the first". This is a commonly established fact in Elder Scrolls, wth is going on around here?
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:46 am

Title says it, wth is going on? Alissia was the first, she recieved the gift directly from Akatosh. There should not be anyone else in the whole world who was secretly "the first". This is a commonly established fact in Elder Scrolls, wth is going on around here?

Fact? Going by what? Imperial historians?
TES lore was always ambiguous.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:14 am

It was never stated that she was the first Dragonborn - simply the first Dragonborn ruler of the Empire.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:01 am

Hmm, I do remember reading that about Alissia, so I am curious wtf Beth is talking about that priest being the first. I guess we will have to wait and see what they do with the lore.
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Post » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:43 pm

He likely meant before you, not the first. Although that is complicated by the fact the he does indeed say "he was the first". I suppose we'll find out eventually.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:02 am

Fact? Going by what? Imperial historians?
TES lore was always ambiguous.
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Philip Rua
 
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:09 am

The Historians are indeed not all knowing, like the story of Tiber Septim, where the Underking offers a very different and, imo, much more believeable version of the "great" Tiber Septim. However the fact this even exsists despite imperial efforts speaks volumes. Something as important as disproveing Alissia as the First Dragonborn would have been found by now I would think.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:46 am

i'm going to go with imperial propaganda, she is the saint of the first empire.

The dragon priests weren't well documented.

Besides being the 27th dragonborn doesn't sound as catchy
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:48 am

First known to history. There is an entire two periods before proper historical records were kept: the Dawn era and the Merethic Era. Who knows how many Dragonborn there were before history proper began.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:30 am

I think Alessia being the first Dragonborn Emperor (Empress) is established, but as I understand it that's part of Cyrodiil's "mythic" history as handed down in lore, and doesn't exclude the possibility of prior Dragonborns existing in other places who are Dragonborn in the same way that the PC of Skyrim is.

Bottom line is, the whole concept of being Dragonborn and what it means and how it happens and why is, as of Skryim, very mysterious and not as clear-cut as it may have seemed in the past. :shrug:
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Post » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:46 pm

Alissia was the first, she recieved the gift directly from Akatosh.

Well, let's get literal here.

Alessia was GIVEN the gift by Akatosh. However, we're talking about DragonBORN so maybe that's the justification for saying he was the first, before our own Dragonborn.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:48 am

First known to history. There is an entire two periods before proper historical records were kept: the Dawn era and the Merethic Era. Who knows how many Dragonborn there were before history proper began.

ahh, totally valid point. TES has a near infinite timeline of centuries and millennia to work within.
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Post » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:59 pm

Well, let's get literal here.

Alessia was GIVEN the gift by Akatosh. However, we're talking about DragonBORN so maybe that's the justification for saying he was the first, before our own Dragonborn.

The only way a dragonborn could literally be born was if a Dragon [censored] a mortal and they gave birth to the off-spring. The Gift HAD to have been "Given" in some sense.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:41 am

Yeah i assumed he meant first as in "first revealed thus far in the last 200 years". But i could be wrong, maybe hes the first dragonborn waaay back in the day, cus they say he was a dragonpriest as well. IF he was a dragonpriest back in the day when dragons ruled over man, then he was definitely a dragonborn before alessia.

But then again, if hes been around that long, where the hell has he been in the last 2000 years? He wasnt on solthsiem in morrowind. It seems it has something to do with the return of the dragons. Because the guy in the trailer says "hes wants to return just like the dragons" or something along those lines.
So maybe hes been trapped in hermaus mora's realm for the last few thousand years, and now that the dragons are back hes got some sort of cult that hes contacting in tamriel to open a portal to his realm? I dunno just pulling ideas out of my ass.
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Post » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:09 pm

The Gift HAD to have been "Given" in some sense.

Exactly. How do you think our own Dragonborn and others before were able to do it? They inherited it from those before them that were given it.

And just to clarify, I'm assuming that the Dragonborns, those born with the gift of the Thu'um, were born after Alessia.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:25 am

He's the first because Bethesda said he is.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:58 am

He very clearly says "He was the first....Dragonborn." The narrator isnt just saying the same of the DLC there...

If the "True History" of Tiber Septim, the story of The Gauldur Amulet, The true fate of Indoril Nerevar, amoung other things that people have gone to great lengths to hide and conceal, and yet are still known to time. I find it hard to believe the Imperial Historians could truely hide a thing that would cast such doubt upon the greatness of Alissia.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:36 am

*Insert Chuck Norris joke here*
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:10 pm

He's the first because Bethesda said he is.
Well actually its some guy in-game saying He's the First Dragoborn that could also be wrong.

But then again, if hes been around that long, where the hell has he been in the last 2000 years? He wasnt on solthsiem in morrowind. It seems it has something to do with the return of the dragons. Because the guy in the trailer says "hes wants to return just like the dragons" or something along those lines.
The implication I got from the trailer is he was dead and wants to return to life.
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Post » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:09 pm

Who knows how many dragonborn the Imperial historians might have conveniently forgotten (or honestly didn't know about) in order to claim Alessia as the first.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:04 am

We already knew that there were Dragonborn before Alessia.
Alessia is simply the first Dragonborn Empress... and as far as imperials are concerned, the first Dragonborn. Even if you told them that there were Dragonborn before, Imperials would be against putting Saint Alessia on the same place as some dirty Nordic barbarians.

But Imperials are wrong in much as far as Alessian age is concerned. Remember the "Alessia invented Akatosh" BS?
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:11 am

Who knows how many dragonborn the Imperial historians might have conveniently forgotten (or honestly didn't know about) in order to claim Alessia as the first.

Who knows how many there were in the Merethic Era before the Imperial historians (or ANY historians for that matter) properly recorded events?
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Post » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:29 pm

Well...I guess this proves that she WASN'T the first, now doesn't it?
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:21 am

We already knew that there were Dragonborn before Alessia.
Alessia is simply the first Dragonborn Empress... and as far as imperials are concerned, the first Dragonborn. Even if you told them that there were Dragonborn before, Imperials would be against putting Saint Alessia on the same place as some dirty Nordic barbarians.

But Imperials are wrong in much as far as Alessian age is concerned. Remember the "Alessia invented Akatosh" BS?

Actually no...we DONT know there were Dragonborn before Alissia, thats the entire point. There were ppl who Shouted before Alissia, but Shouting is not unique to Dragonborn, anyone can Shout with enough determination and training. As far as history is concerned, Dragonborns are never mentioned before Alissia. Even in the tales of Ysgrammor and his Five Hundred Companions in the Merethic Era. Which is very strange considering you have other things like the death of Indoril Nerevar, which was a total fabrication, and EVERYONE believed it and there was STILL evidence to prove the "offical" story wrong. Same with Tiber Septim and his rise to power, there are STILL conflicting reports about him despite their best efforts.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:52 am

Besides...The Dragon Priests, the Voice, all that predates Alessia and her war against the Aeylids, or however you spell it.
For all intents and purposes, this First Dragonborn was simply not recorded in history. Alessia is the first KNOWN. There's a lot of things that are left out of the histories.
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