"Honor to you, my thane." Taking care of Lydia

Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:52 pm

Lydia was not my first Follower.

I never instantly follow the main quest and explored around first (I love doing that). My first follower was a wizard (who wouldn`t shut up), and then this butch Nord woman (who tried to be in control of me-annoying) and .... eventually it was Lydia, who i like the best.
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A Dardzz
 
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:00 pm

She only died once so far for me, and I had her along for quite a while. Guess I was lucky :smile:
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:10 pm

leave her at home and dont come home drunk on stella and swinging weapons at her.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:17 pm

I am on the PC, but have never used console commands much... and not at all with Skyrim yet. Is there somewhere I can find a listing of them? hmmmm... perhaps there's a mod...?

Google uespwiki and console. It will give a list of commands, effects, and the language to phrase them.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:02 am

Get Mjoll the Lioness, she's awesome and she can't die, like seriously she's immortal even if you attack her while she's in the surrender position. Also members of the circle in the companions are quest givers and due to that fact they also can't die. Immortal companions ftw!

But anyway i waited to do the main quest on some of my characters tell like lvl 20+ and those characters Lydia's are beast, she's still slow to catching up with me but she almost never goes into the surrender position, too bad i still can't marry her D:
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:50 pm

Nope. Lydia dies well and often, if you don't make keeping her alive a priority. Then it's Reload and do it again time, if you really don't want to lose your Lydia.

I can only assume that this might depend on player difficulty level, like it did in Fallout New Vegas, because most of the time she does the whole "down-on-one-knee" thing.

However....

There do seem to be some quests or dungeons where she can die, and not be getting caught in my crossfire. This seems to be true of all followers, as Iona (?) the Riften carl was killed while I was fighting someone else. The manual supports the view that followers can only be killed by you - including things like area effect spells - but in my experience there's either a bug or it's not that simple.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:38 pm

My Lydia died in a very, very tough boss fight. The fight was so tough and I barely survived so I didnt reload. I got someone else from the mages college and she seems to be doing quite good surviving

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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:16 pm

It's weird how so many players actually keep Lydia. Its almost like she is synonymous with the word follower. There are so many followers to pick and choose from, so why do people keep the first one they come across?


This.

Plus Lydia is by default the weakest follower you're going to meet (unless you decided to skip the first few quests and run off into the wilderness) by virtue of being the first follower you get.

Maybe it's time to let go man, sounds like you've outgrown her, she simply isn't a talented enough adventuer to keep up with you anymore.
May I suggest checking a few inns for mercs?
500 gold flat fee and they are usually pretty tough, plus if they die it doesn't break your heart (and you can usually recoup the fee by stripping and selling all their gear).

Lydia is a glorified butler, leave her where she belongs, baking sweetrolls in Breezehome and go get yourself a real follower. ;)
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:56 am

Google uespwiki and console. It will give a list of commands, effects, and the language to phrase them.

Thanks! I'll try that. :)
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:22 pm

I already offered Lydia to Boethia. The wench deserved her fate.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:31 am

If you are on a console you are hosed unless they patch it so Lydia levels with you.

On a PC Lydia is a studdette if you do the following.

Tell her to leave and then hit ~
Click on her and type disable (she goes poof)
Close the console
Open it again and type enable.
Shes back.
Tell her to follow.
Shes now your level.

As for her dying, no she does NOT simply die because shes hit in normal combat. Every Lydia death I've had can be traced back to me, either a spell or a hit or a shout. I found out the hard way that using unrelenting force on a boss while Lydia was on her knees will kill her. I've seen her in a fire trap SLOWLY crawling out of it on her knees while surrounded by flame. I've seen her take arrows on her knees (dont' say it) from guys who could one shot my mage. EVERY one of my Lydia "oh crap she died" was my fault, though sometimes I didn't realize it at the time. You have to be careful with fireball, runes, etc. Even power attacks because she does like to jump in front of you and the rather odd 'range' of weapons means it easy to hit something that it doesn't look like you could hit on screen.

Thanks for the console commands, I'll try them.

If you say I'm doing it, OK... I know it was me with that Chain-Lightning staff... I hate fighting in groups, even groups of two. But there were a couple of times she died that, if it was me, my straight-line spell bounced to my rear (and I don't think that's possible), because she was nowhere in the line-of-fire. All I know is Lydia dies a lot, if I'm not careful of her. As a result, I watch for Lydia first, then the enemy I'm trying to kill, not a safe tactic if I want to survive.

What I wonder is why I take her anywhere, now that she can only carry a few potions and such. It's just that she gets so depressed when I leave her home.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:52 am

I can only assume that this might depend on player difficulty level, like it did in Fallout New Vegas, because most of the time she does the whole "down-on-one-knee" thing.

However....

There do seem to be some quests or dungeons where she can die, and not be getting caught in my crossfire. This seems to be true of all followers, as Iona (?) the Riften carl was killed while I was fighting someone else. The manual supports the view that followers can only be killed by you - including things like area effect spells - but in my experience there's either a bug or it's not that simple.

Right! There were a couple of times she died that I'm almost 100% positive I couldn't have done it. A bugged Lydia would go along with the rest of the game quite well, since bugs seem to crop up at the most disadvantageous times. It says a lot for the over-all game that I haven't stopped playing it, since the bugs are everywhere, just waiting to crash me to the desktop again in the middle of some drawn-out task.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:01 pm

Sounds like your play-style is similar to mine. The only parking problem is if I accidentally park her too close to the action with no door between. Then, even if I've commanded her to stay, she wades in anyway, usually alerting every baddie in the area to her and then my presence. She definitely can't handle many of the resulting attacks my Lvl 26 Battlemage character can handle.

I learned the hard way not to use a Chain Lightning staff around her, even though she was behind me and I was firing at a mob of spiders in front, the lightning chained to her and killed her stone dead. Paid a lot of gold for that staff, but now, for Lydia's sake, it's just a wall decoration.

/Nod
Ayup, same same. I have gotten a good feel for how close she can be, and if it is unavoidable I will either park her outside where she will stay safe until I clear that front area, or if its only a few target dummies in there I will charge before she can and go batsh*t on 'em before she gets too squirrely and goes and gets splattered. As long as I have stamina, I can pretty much 1 or 2 shot any of the front door guys so I can wade through masses fairly easily, 5 or so and if any of em are casters I go right for them dragging the melees after me. I stomp on the squishy and then turn about and start beating down the melees, and about this time she is coming and starts beating on their backs. If they are facing me they aren't whacking on her, and even better I am not hitting her since we have all the enemy between us.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:28 pm

This.

Plus Lydia is by default the weakest follower you're going to meet (unless you decided to skip the first few quests and run off into the wilderness) by virtue of being the first follower you get.

Maybe it's time to let go man, sounds like you've outgrown her, she simply isn't a talented enough adventuer to keep up with you anymore.
May I suggest checking a few inns for mercs?
500 gold flat fee and they are usually pretty tough, plus if they die it doesn't break your heart (and you can usually recoup the fee by stripping and selling all their gear).

Lydia is a glorified butler, leave her where she belongs, baking sweetrolls in Breezehome and go get yourself a real follower. :wink:

Where's the loyalty?! LOL

I'd just leave her home, if she wouldn't mope and pout. I hate that!! I've made that same face at my husband enough times to know exactly what it means.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:04 am

Healing Hands and Dead Thrall are good ways to keep her going.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:53 pm

Its better to upgrade her with another thane and retire Lydia.

Companions are supposedly fixed at the level you first meet them. So if you meet Lydia as lvl4 character she will always be a lvl4 npc.
Later when you can afford the house in Solitude you gain Jorvis as a thane who is basically a Lydia clone but with a different voice actor. I only picked her up as a lvl30 character so she started at that higher level and remains a good companion to keep around.
Lydia meanwhile has been demoted to house-keeper.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:30 pm

Just left her on your house at Dragonsreach.Lydia is weak because you found her at the beggining of the game.And companion's are level-based.So if you find a companion at level 1 he will have everything that a level 1 player have.

The official Strategy Guide says that followers level up with you.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:56 pm

Its better to upgrade her with another thane and retire Lydia. Companions are supposedly fixed at the level you first meet them. So if you meet Lydia as lvl4 character she will always be a lvl4 npc. Later when you can afford the house in Solitude you gain Jorvis as a thane who is basically a Lydia clone but with a different voice actor. I only picked her up as a lvl30 character so she started at that higher level and remains a good companion to keep around. Lydia meanwhile has been demoted to house-keeper.

Seems you may be right, I'm Lvl 34 now, and got Lydia very early on. Guess it's time to give her to The Blades. I was waiting as long as I could but, perhaps, that's the only way to have her stay alive and NOT morosely moping around in my Breezehome bedroom.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:49 pm

The official Strategy Guide says that followers level up with you.

They are shocking... bugged. Check out my console fix in this thread.

Lydia is a beast IF she is leveled with you.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:56 pm

The official Strategy Guide says that followers level up with you.

Really?! YAY!! But... then what's wrong with my Lydia? A lone bandit I killed with two spells had beaten her to one knee in no time before I could get him off her.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:56 pm

I like Lydia. She's totally loyal "unto death". But how do you keep the girl alive? It seems I'm spending huge amounts of gold, and many extra hours of time, just trying to keep my loyal Lydia alive and with me as I wander. It's frustrating to look back and see her running in place, stuck behind a tiny rock I just bounced over. No cross-country exploration for Lydia, it seems, I can't take her most places where roads aren't involved. Heaven forbid the grade is too steep or the terrain too rocky, no matter I can handle both.

The Lydia problem gelled when I actually chose Ebony over Glass crafting as my Smithing perk. I needed Glass for my Light Armor character, but Ebony might better help keep Lydia alive. While it's true you have the choice of leaving Lydia behind at the house, you pay for it. Whenever I go into my bedroom, there she is, sitting at the little table despondently munching on a hunk of bread, casting morose glances in my direction, obviously crushed at being spurned by her thane. Whatever happened to "they also serve who only stand and wait" and the steadfast attitude that goes with that philosophy?

As the final straw, when I take Lydia with me to work more-or-less as a pack horse, the girl can't carry much of anything, especially now that she's all in Ebony. If I take her into a dungeon, she runs ahead into the fray, intent on killing or being killed. Discretion is definitely not her longsuit. So, she stirs the hornets' nest and sets them all on me, or she dies and sets them all on me. Great choice. I park Lydia outside if I plan on a bit of finesse in my play-style. Further, how to fill soul gems with my over-protector around? Before I can get my bow aimed, she's killed the critter. Frustrating.

I have some suggestions that might actually make Lydia and her ilk an asset: 1) Lydia (or any follower) should be able to maneuver any terrain you can maneuver; 2) add the command "Stay behind me!", which will make her stay... well, you know... BEHIND you; 3) increase her carry-capacity, wearing Ebony shouldn't max-out her weight-limit; and 4) if you no longer want her following you around, no sad-faced, overly-dejected moping when you release her to stay and guard your house.

Like I said in the beginning, I like Lydia, she just needs to be something other than a huge drag on my game... either as someone, incapable of carrying much, who I must constantly spend time, gold and personal safety on to keep alive, or as an emotional guilt-trip, should I give up and leave her at the house. How do either of those things enhance game-play, Bethesda people?

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but if wait to start that part of the quest until you are higher in level, she will be higher in level. I got here around level 35 this time and she is doing great. I don't even summon my Atronach any more, I just heal and rally Lydia while she does her thing in her ebony armor. Sometimes I shoot an Incinerate or two or Paralyze something ...
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:14 pm

Lydia and other followers kneel when they are close to death, regardless of difficulty. When they're kneeling, they lose all aggro and focus switches to the player. They also only have 1 HP when kneeling so they can be killed by the player AS WELL as any stray shots or spells (doesn't usually happen, but fireballs from hagravens come to mind). If you're on PC you can make lydia fully immortal as well as make her level with you. The latter has already been explained in this thread so I will focus on the former:

1) on the console, type "help Lydia 4" to find her NPC code (it's 000A2C8E)
2) now type, setessential NPC-Code 1

setessential 000A2C8E 1 makes her essential
setessential NPC-Code 0 will make Black Briars or other essential persons nonessential
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:09 am

They are shocking... bugged. Check out my console fix in this thread. Lydia is a beast IF she is leveled with you.

A beast! Yes, that's what I want her to be. A carry-a-lot, monster-in-a-fight, stay-outta-my-line-of-fire baddie-bane...

uh... how do you go into console mode?
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:29 pm

A beast! Yes, that's what I want her to be. A carry-a-lot, monster-in-a-fight, stay-outta-my-line-of-fire baddie-bane...

uh... how do you go into console mode?
the tilde key, ~

right to the left of the "1/!" key

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HFaimNmkc video may help
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:25 pm

At level 50, Lydia or Jordis are amazing tanks. They shield bash and stab everything before it even sees you.
100 one handed, block, and heavy armor. And 70 or 80 marksman, too; they are definitely as good as summoned dremora or whatever it is that mages use to supplement their lousy damage abilities.
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