» Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:24 am
I think we could do better Crysis 2, the one we expected to see, if we would rip all the content of Crysis 2, and port it to Crysis 1.
We will have better physics (we would even be able to have destructible environment and trees, which was completely removed from Crysis 2), we will have better graphics (DX10 is not DX11, no tessellation, but Parallax occlusion mapping aka POM will be able to compensate lack of tessellation, anyway DX10 better than DX9), we will have better AI (not so deaf, blind and stupid), we will have better MP code and gameplay without stupid CallOfDutyization, and we will be able to play C2 just as mod of C1 and switch back to original.
We will have REAL Crysis 2 we waited for, and Crytek promised us.
Why should we wait wile Crytek will fix this crappy POS downgraded pseudo Crysis, if we can build real Crysis 2 and have all we need for this - Crysis 1 much more powerful Cry engine 2, Sanbox 2... and we probably will need some minor tools that will allow to convert Cry engine formats to Cry engine 2, and perhaps we would need to redraw all the low rez textures... But anyway, be can do much better Crysis 2 than Crytek did!
How do you like this idea guys?
Anyone from Crymod here wants to support this idea?
Stupidest idea ever. What you want to do is near impossible unless you're willing to pay millions of dollars for both CryEngine 3 and 2. The REAL ones not the editors. Also what **** promise are you talking about did Crytek make us? Was there a certain Crysis 2 they promised? STOP **** lying you piece of crap, Crytek promised Crysis 2 on all platforms, DX11, and fixes to the bugs.
The Crysis 2 people bought KNEW the gameplay and etc. etc. when there were trailers and gameplay vids. It's no surprise that it's different than Crysis 1.
Let me tell you something: CRYENGINE 3 IS THE SAME **** AS CRYENGINE 2 BUT WITH SOME EXTRA IMPROVEMENTS, NEXT GEN READY FEATURES, AND **** OPTIMIZATION TO THE MAX. Makes sense? The physics in Crysis 2 are the SAME as in Crysis 1. The SAME. AND you can still shoot trees down but here's the thing: We are playing in New York. There are THICKER trees that can't be shot down (THIS WAS IN CRYSIS 1 AS WELL, where there were trees that CAN"T be shot down!). But thin trees, LIKE CRYSIS 1, can still be shot down, but there aren't many of them because this is an urban jungle. Plus have you ever broken a table in Crysis 2? That showcases the physics VERY well.
Moving on, Crysis 1's gameplay was love or hate. No seriously, it was a love or hate game, it wasn't the BEST FPS IN THE WORLD. It was mainly looked at as a benchmark and only a decent amount of people loved the actual gameplay (I'm one of them). Crytek wanted it to be like a movie, but it wasn't, it was a benchmark. Crysis 2, they acheived the movie style gameplay, and it's **** good. Seriously, it's **** good as ****.
Moving on, AGAIN, Crysis 1's AI is WORSE than Crysis 2. I stand RIGHT IN FRONT of Koreans when cloaked and their like "DERP LOL WUT." It's stupid. The aliens in Crysis 1 would also get confused as to where I am. Like their shooting then they wander off and I'm like "WTF?" It's not a BAD AI tho, it's just so freakin advanced that it get's confused. Same case with Crysis 2. And for the most part, the AI is pretty damn good. Like, seriously, play on a mode that's NOT easy or medium (which are modes you probably played on ) and try playing with stealth. You'd be shocked at how good the AI is. At times they get confused, but for the most part, they aren't stupid.
Also the multiplayer in Crysis 2 is better than Crysis 1 and Wars. The fact that it has a multiplayer with over 200k (**** actually a lot more but....) gamers and the first game and Wars had a multiplayer with a couple hundred gamers, prove this. Of course, opinions can't be proven but still. The MP code isn't the problem, the code is fine, it's just the bugs. By MP code, I assume you talk about network code btw (and only a handful of people have a network issue with Crysis 2. It's not as big as it seems).
THE ONLY THING Crysis 2 is beaten by Crysis 1 in are textures. Crysis 1 had beautiful textures that were high-res, Crysis 2 doesn't. It has half the size of the textures. I support the idea of a better texture pack for high-res textures, but your idea is plain stupid. It would cost a lot of money, tools, work, people, and a few years. You know nothing on what you are talking about and you're probably just some pissed off kid who wants attention.
Crysis 2 is a multiplatform game. It's not just a simple PC game anymore, I don't know why people are so surprised when they notice that "IT WAS BUILT TO RUN ON CONSOLES DERP." We've known that for like....2 years....or a year and a half or some ****. IT"S NOT **** NEW NEWS, the game was confirmed to work on all platforms. It's still a PC game BUT with the sense that it is gamepad AND mouse/keyboard friendly. Graphics are to be updated to the real potential with DX11 and other patches and ****.
Now let this pathetic thread die.
Sorry i dont even want to bother myself reading this bullcrap, i had enough of it in very few 1st and middle lines of text i actually reed, so im sure that entire wall of text have even more of this pathetic bullcrap.
I just want you to learn few facts, before trying to look so stupid next time:
1) CryEngine 3 is not Crysis 2. Crysis 2 may be powered by it, but game itself power by some downgraded utter crap version of CE which dont have even half of features of CE3, not even have displacement aka paralax mapping or simply famous Crysis 1 Pom, which turned flat textures into volumetric objects almost like tessallation, Crysis 2 looks completely flat. To put it simple, Crysis powered by some "lite version" of CE, which only suitable for consoles in this state, not for PC.
Crysis 1 is same time have CE2, but this version of CE2 is much more powerful and its kinda "full version", so despite 2007 year of release date CE2 and C1 have much more "horse powers" and scalability than Crysis 2 with its little piece of CE3.
2) Crysis 1 had much more advanced AI and Physics and graphics, which was both DX9 and DX10 - Crysis 2 lost good AI, lost physics, lost DX10 mode etc. Crysis 2 lost almost everything, it do no even have PhysX engine (have you seen physX loader in game dir? you mor... more than just moron), and their custom physics was cut for final version. Same about AI - current AI is blind and deaf, not challenging. And this stupid sequel dont even have mod support, and proper save\load system, its configs encrypted, as well as pak files and game totally locked.
Sandbox editor also gives almost unlimited possibilities to mod the game, if there is something you cant do with sandbox, its not such a big problem to write tool that will do it.
3) Because of reasons described above, running same levels and even same (poor) story with same NPC, would be completely more enjoyable experience if it would be powered by Crysis 1 full CE2 engine instead of degraded slice of CE3 that we have now in Crysis 2.
4) Conversion of already existing assets, maps, sound, scripts and video files for architecture of Crysis 1 engine would be much easier task than making total conversion from scratch, or making remake, so this would not take as much time, as you think.
You probably not familiar with mod community and dont know a thing about many remakes and conversion created by modders, that pushed old games to new level.
But people done this before, and much simplier than you think, Valve converted HL to source engine, GTA modders converted GTA 3 to Vice City and later to San Andreas engine, some people even rectreated games like for example Black Mesa source, or those many ex-unreal mods that turned into stan-alone games, sometime even with different engine, like Alien Swarm for example.
Well i know more examples of such conversion, cant remember them all right now, but if you really intererted, try to google before saying stupid things like "this is impossible".
Everything is possible, possibility is just a matter of inspiration, motivation and time, and word "impossible" was created as excuse for their lack talent or motivation, or time perhaps.
5) lol at you, your post full of self-contradiction, lack of facts, and you are blind hammer legion member (fanboy). And yeah dude, like someone above said - i have pretty good grammar for Russian, and my Russian (aka native) grammar much better than your English grammar, and i know many languages (not only Russia and English) but judging by your stupid behavior, you dont have enough of intellect even to learn perfectly your native single language, so whatever, i dont care about your "grammar nazy" mumbo jumbo.
And you know what?
Everyone knows that only idiots who dont have reasonable topic-relate argument starts talking about someone's grammar. So if you dont have anything smart to say about topic, just shut up and go find yourself another thread for off-top flame.
Ignorance at it's finest. Actually scratch that, you're so **** pathetic that you fail to do anything at it's "finest." I consider you plain ignorant. The fact that you didn't read my post to the fullest PROVING YOU WRONG IN EVERY aspect, makes your #5 automatically faulty and full of ****. Nice one.
1) I know Crysis 2 is NOT CryEngine 3 you **** retard. Read my damn post, I never stated such a thing. >_> Crysis 2 itself CLEARLY does not use the full power of CryEngine 3. Do you know how CryEngine 3 works? Let me tell you basically how Crysis 2 was made on it: Simultaneously on all platforms to the highest extent possible with the strongest limiting factors contributing to development. Once it's finished on all platforms, then specific features to the superior platforms will be further added on in the process of polishing and finishing touches (though this did not happen because EA did not give Crytek enough time and thus updates and patches will finish this process up).
2) Do you have ANY proof on this? Like I'm talking in terms of engines. I have proof that you're wrong and that the physics are the SAME as Crysis 1's. Everything is either the same or better except for textures (which would include specific bump mapping and such), from Crysis 2 to Crysis 1. I'll give this thing that you can use to look up the proof yourself: google.com. Have you majored in computer programming and software engineering? I suggest you do, you'll understand this stuff a lot better rather than making up your own theories >_<"
3) Again, STUPIDITY at work here. CryEngine 3=CryEngine 2+optimization+next gen features. Get it through your **** head. And you called the story poor? Alright that may be your opinion, but I'm postive your opinion is in the minority considering that two of the best sci-fi scripters wrote Crysis 2's story and since Cevat Yerli managed to direct the action with his team very well with specific emotional moments on how the innocent citizens are suffering.
4) Hold on right here. First off, VALVE is a professional developer that can easily port Half Life 1 into source engine. It's a PORT, and a damn fine one at that. And even then it took them, AS A TEAM, to roughly do the porting in about some months to a year time. The GTA 3 to Vice City to San Andreas by the modding community was a HUGE community effort and same goes for Black Mesa (which isn't even out yet. What a joke. Release date, "2009" and it's 2011, without a proper word from the modders). AND in addition to all of this, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, and Half Life 1 are all VERY OLD and WEAK games. FYI, developing games is getting HARDER and more DEMANDING to do. What's my proof? Outsourcing. Outsourcing to other places in the world because so many people are needed that certain companies can't afford to pay for specific game developers and would rather pay for a group of people in another country who'd do the same thing as any other educated game developer for much less money.
5) I already explained this one's faulty.
I suggest that next time, if you want to **** reply to someone in an argument/debate, that you read everything they state first. You made yourself look like a complete idiot just now. Hey look, it's fine to be wrong. If you admit it, I'll actually have some sense of respect for you and won't insult you, but otherwise, by you not reading my post and giving me all this **** in return is a **** joke.
