Okay the reason I started this thread is what I heard yestartday. So apparently my first reading teacher students all fail the reading test except one, but guess what he was dam high when he took that test and scored a 5 out of 6! Thankfully I switch to another reading class and this teacher cared about our education, but she was just to pushy that I hated her and we always argued because of our ideals and way of thinking and me sleeping in her class a lot! But anyway the reading test came and I was the only one who passed it....Now I was dam sleepy when taking that test, yet I pass with a good score. So the moral of the story is you either have to be high or sleepy to get a good score.



So my question is how would you improve the educational system in your country/state?


I would personally hire better teachers and make school offer more help, and I would make sure every lesson can be understood perfectly.

Cut budgets.

I can't answer that question without breaking forum rules left and right.

I really don't understand how that relates to improving the educational system, but OK. Also, there are no good or bad teachers, every teacher teaches their own way, and just because you think one person's way of doing something is superior to someone else's doesn't mean it's true, that's just your own opinion. So it's impossible to "hire better teachers," Unless of course that teacher is just breaking the school rules and whatnot.

School choice through a voucher system forcing schools to compete with each other as parents move their children (and the money) to schools that produce the best results.

That's making the education system worse.

Outsource to China

I would take a radical approach and fund it, possibly even paying teachers.

1-Engage children with what they want to learn
2-Teach relevant information about the world

Sorted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aviOJ9DVcyo I'm not going to go into further detail.

This seems to be the most sensible option.

Shut down all the schools and have a fund-drive, NPR style.

Or, in-source pupils from central African nations. I bet they wouldn't fall asleep in class. They'd give a damn about learning.

I bet they wouldn't give the teachers no lip either. Maybe the OP would have been written better if he wasn't back talkin and sleepin.

I'd abolish all current education curriculums and have a statue made of gold and platinum of my likeness in every state, with everyone worshipping unto me, their benevolent Dear Leader.

Implement a course review poll at the end of the year, where every student fills out a sheet regarding things they liked and didn't like about the class. The college here does this. Use it in conjunction with test grades to determine which teachers are doing well, which aren't, and how classes can improve.

Also beat the [censored] out of stupid kids.

And stupid teachers. And stupid librarians. God my high school librarian was stupid. I don't think she ever touched a computer before she got the job.

It relates because a kid with half brain working can score high on a test yet everyone else is failing clearly shows that something needs to be fix in the learning system.

Considering the US system, I'd stop separating classes into grades around year seven or eight. In practice this actually wouldn't change much, but it would make it easier for students to progress at their own rate, whether its faster or slower than the expected standard.

I think we as a nation need to invest more in technical colleges and trade schools. This is largely a cultural issue where such programs are considered inferior to a "proper" college education, and I think one method to improve this would be to see these schools expand their liberal arts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U



Check out the 7 minute mark

I would highly recommend watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ephQ8Y8Srkw&feature=related Though it is very long, but I agree with this very much.

http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm

Remove no child left behind and focus on the 'gifted' students, after all someone needs to flip the burgers for me.

Make computing knowledge mandatory for primary and secondary school graduation.

This would be bad for business tho..

Impossible to take a run at this in a forum post, really. I have a few friends that are grade school and high school teachers (in Chicago, no less...currently on strike), and it seems to me that this issue is REALLY complicated. Long story short, public school systems and the government agencies that regulate and fund them in the U.S. don't have the resources they need to properly manage and benchmark the educational process, and the resources that are available are horribly mismanaged. It's also becoming increasingly difficult for teachers to get proper support from their students' parents, which is really important. The result is that we end up with a lot of burnt-out teachers that don't get the backing they need from a variety of sources to properly educate kids. Using standardized testing to benchmark teacher performance further encourages burnout, apathy, and poor curriculum design. It's a huge can of worms to open.

Feedback is important. Any system that isn't allowed to evolve is going to end up svcking eventually.
That's less to do with a poor teacher or poor educational system than it does with a poorly written test. Now what's arguable is what the real cause is. Is the teacher irreconcilably bad at their job, or is it a lack of effort due to long hours, bad pay, and tenure/lack thereof?
Surely. Grades still "exist" in university, but they show up much less often. You take the classes you're qualified for regardless of age cohort or credit level. Obviously 'freshmen' don't take 'senior' level courses without the prerequisites, but otherwise you're more-or-less free to build your own curriculum. The real mitigating factor here, is that once you're out of high-school the cost of education falls on you (a whole other issue), which motivates people to take the smallest number of the easiest required courses to get out of school with as little debt as possible. Hardly reinforcing of a decent education.

As for trade schools, that's another socioeconomic problem. The cost of school is perceived to be very high while the pay rate or social standing gained from those jobs is viewed as low. Most people either want to be doctors and engineers, or they get disillusioned and forego trade schools and become unskilled workers. I think people either want to have jobs that make them supermodel lawyers, or to paraphrase Steinbeck, live their lives as temporarily embarrassed burger-flipping millionaires.