I've heard that apparently Unarmed is supposed to work off of the 2h perks. Great. However I have 1 HUGE issue with what's going on in the game.


1) Fighting Unarmed does not level any skill currently. I'm a Khajit. Am I really supposed to think that these claws are 100% useless? As stated previously, I thought that the unarmed skill was supposed to be assumed under the 2handed role, yet I just cleared the first quest and have gained ZERO skill towards anything whatsoever that is offensive, besides the 2 tiny weaklings I killed with my bow (just to make sure that the entire skill-gain system wasn't bugged).

Edit: The issue with block has already been cleared up. Thank you Thodian.

2) There is no way to block with unarmed, yet I can block with a 2hander.


Please, I would love to see responses to this quickly. I'd rather be told that Unarmed isn't being supported at all (which is ridiculous with the multiple deathblow animations I've seen) or tell me some other workaround.

Thank you.

I've posted a thread about this. And I totally agree. I point out other things about h2h here: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1257681-heads-up/page__gopid__19161020#entry19161020

You can block with a twohander or a shield, not unarmed or bow or dualwield. And thats ok.

I'd like to make this the semi-wannabe-official "Seriously, this needs to be fixed/answered right now" thread, so I'll copy what you said in your other thread which isn't named as appropriately as I believe this one is. Please start using this thread from now on when discussing this problem, in hopes that it reaches quite a large number of pages very quickly. I can't be the only one who uses a Hand to Hand play style. I REALLY hope this is a bug that has a super fast patch for, or something that can be added to some config to fix.

Thank you Thodian, I updated the original post, but I apparently can't edit the thread-name, or else I would.

So... Do you want the developers to consult you personally before making decisions or what?

I personnaly don't think unarmed should be a viable option... it's not like fallout where you have those power fists, someone with a sword would demolish you...

I totally agree. It's a crazy option IMO, and don't get why anyone would use it

Not to mention someone encased in steel OR a Daedric minion.

I appreciate the trolling, but if you have nothing useful to say, then don't post. The point here is that there is a specific perk in the Two-Handed Weapon skill tree that grants bonus damage to Unarmed by adding damage based upon the current heavy-armory gauntlets you have equipped. Great. So then why when I hit something when I am unarmed, do I not gain skill in anything whatsoever? Again, this seems like a bug that will effect quite a few players, so please, go elsewhere if you want to troll.

The Khajit race was specifically given a racial that adds damage to unarmed attacks, and there is a perk in the two-handed tree specifically for unarmed attacks. That should be more than enough justification to assume that there would be some sort of skill-tree in the game tied to unarmed, as there was in previous TES games, and other TES-like games, like Fallout. Hence why I'm assuming it is a bug that Unarmed attacks do not level up the Two-Handed skill.

The fact that the Khajit have a racial ability improving their hand to hand shows that the code will exist that will allow modders to make changes to hand to hand behind the scenes that could be very much used to make the skill no longer redundant.

The hope is that we won't have to have a mod to do what the game appears to already be supposed to be doing. But that is a very good idea if we get an official word back that unarmed is not supposed to be supported the way it looks like it should be.

HtH is not used for normal fights, it's more like a gimmick.

It's not a bug, it doesn't need to be fixed any more than, say, the lack of levitation.


You don't gain skills, because there's no HtH skill, there are racial powers and perks for some cases where HtH could be used, like Tavern Brawls, or when you lost your favourite sword, but it's not a vileable solution.

Monks in the elder scrolls universe can punch through reinforced steel walls. You're wrong, plainly put.

"You don't gain skils, because there's no HtH skill, there are racial powers and perks for some cases where HtH could be used, like Tavern Brawls, or when you lost your favourite sword, but it's not a vileable solution."
Duh. We're well aware of this. And this is lame, because its another fun combat style removed from the game.

Are you just simply not reading the whole part about AN ENTIRE PERK BEING DESIGNED SOLELY TO MAKE HAND TO HAND VIABLE?

I agree, why should somebody in a single player game featuring cat people and dragons be able to use unarmed. That's just unrealistic. As we all know, elder scrolls isn't about choice, it's about realism.

There's no skill gain? It's not tied to skill?

That's completely ridiculous. What the... why the... why would they even do that? That's completely senseless.

So. What? Is this, like, ruining your entire experience with the game? Because you sure make it sound like this is a really critical issue here.

Erm, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it said that, I'm paraphrasing, H2H was to be a more viabale option this time around? Must be a quote floating around out there somewhere, but my googlefu is kaput.

In the Strategy Guide using H2H will NOT level ANY skill. There is one perk under heavy armor that will make your attacks stronger. The guide recommends anyone wanting to use H2H be a Kajit and get the perk and it will stay viable for about half the game.

Even so about the monks punching through steel.

In most, I guess 'cultures' video game or otherwise.
Monks attain a higher level of being that places them above mere physical attacks.

So, I suggest you take their advice, play your hand to hand and when it can no longer keep up. ASCEND to a freaking mage and start throwing lightning from those fists instead. Damn.



No but really.

What's with all the disassociated skills?
Cooking
Tanning
Hand 2 Hand

What else?

Don't know if it is posted, but there is a perk in Heavy Armor that increases H2H damage based on the gauntlets you wear.

to answer your questions shortly...yes
to answer it long wise...i played an unarmed character all the way through morrowind and all the way through oblivion. i played an unarmed character in star wars galaxies, city of heroes, hell knights of the old republic 1 and 2, alpha protocol....you getting it yet, dawg?

that's why i'm waiting for elder scrolls 6. hopefully they fix that mistake. until then, other games shall keep my attention.

yup, so I've moved on to choosing a dagger character or a magic character, since i cant do h2h