You can learn magic. You can't learn how to become Dragonborn. You either are (by gift of the divines) or are not (By choice of the Divines).

Either way, the LDB did not LEARN the Shouts the way mortals do, and that is cheating in my book.

Really?

Okay, here is one thing Everyone can Agree On:

No Matter which of the three would win, anyone of them could kill: the Eternal Champion, the Agent, the Apprentice, Cyrus, The Master Tunnel Rat, or the Soul of Conflict.

Cheating when talking about legendary heroes. He did learn them. In a different way, but he did. All is fair in love and war. Get well acquainted with that phrase.

agreed. But who is the Soul of Conflict?

I don't know; at one point Cyrus was the HoonDing.

The Hero of Shadowkey (One of the Travel Games)

These threads will never go anywhere. Even with rules, people will ignore and change them to fit their own purpose. Thats why threads like these technically aren't even allowed.

He did not learn the Ability to shout like the Greybeards or Ulfric. HE WAS GIVEN THE ABILITY BY AKATOSH. HE HAD DIVINE HELP LEARNING THE ABILITY!

yes

i don't think there's really any objective answer to this, and there never will be, best to just take what we know and draw a conclusion from that (your own conclusion)

I will admit, I do like Cyrus, Redguard was an Awesome Game...

I wish they would make another game in the Elder Scrolls Adventures spin-off series....

He learned his shouts though. And so what? Who cares where he got his abilities? Nerevarine didn't learn to not age.

The LDB shares the same traits as the dragons, which by definition do not need to practice in order to do what is natural for them.

In any case, this is a debate about strength. If complaining about one's powers being unfair is all you have to offer, you might as well admit you got nothing here.

These threads have zero intelligence within them.

IF there are no weapons, armor or "Canon" skill sets, then the LDB has a mega-unfair advantage.

Either we have to consider everything in lore, or we have to consider nothing, because considering only what people has is automatic cheat win for Dovahkiin.

Which is it? Do we remove shouts from the equation or do we allow for all possible scenarios to be present?

My dragonborn's theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4bG7Pso_uo

admit it, unless we consider all possibilities, the Dovahkiin is the only one who has ANYTHING to fight with, thus there IS NO FIGHT!

> Discuss about legendary heroes

> Complain about their legendary powers.

That is the only logical way to judge them because the only abilities we know they have are the dovahkiins shouts in the mq and dlcs, and nerevarine's fountain of youth, lol.

I'd go with the Champion of Cyrodiil, because he/she defeated a Daedric Prince, probably one of the most dominant princes, and the prince is known as Mehrunes Dagon.

Martin Septim/Avatar of Akatosh did that.

You wanna go there, Nerevarine is watched over by Azura.

if you aqre considering all the Shouts LDB got in DLC as canon, then we have to say CoC has the Crusaders Relics, and all the powers and blessings that came with them.. considering the powers and enhancements those come with, CoC could likely standf up against the LDB

CoC did not defeat Dagon, Martin did by shattering the Amulet and becoming Akatosh's Avatar. CoC was just Martins friend and personal UPS man

By all means, lol. Those enchantments werent very great. LDB would likely still win just by summoning a dragon.