"Internet Access is a Human Right"-U.N.

Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:06 am

http://mashable.com/2012/07/06/internet-human-right/

Is Internet access and online freedom of expression a basic human right? The United Nations’ Human Rights Council unanimously backed that notion in a resolution passed Thursday.
The resolution says that all people should be allowed to connect to and express themselves freely on the Internet. All 47 members of the Human Rights Council, including notoriously censorship-prone countries such as China and Cuba, signed the resolution.
China’s support for the resolution came with the stipulation that the “free flow of information on the Internet and the safe flow of information on the Internet are mutually dependent,” as Chinese delegate Xia Jingge told the Council in a sign that the country isn’t about to tear down the so-called “Great Firewall of China.”
The concept was first affirmed by a U.N. agency, the International Telecommunications Union (ITU), in 2003. The ITU has recently come under fire after http://mashable.com/2012/05/30/united-nations-internet/ that member states were preparing proposals to give the United Nations more control over the Internet ahead of a December conference. The ITU has rejected many of those claims.
Internet access as a human right has since been supported by several of the Internet’s most well-known proponents, including Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web.
“[It's] an empowering thing for humanity to be connected at high speed and without borders,” Berners-Lee http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-13124335 the BBC in April of last year while reflecting on the Internet’s role in the Arab Spring uprisings.

The Human Rights Council is a United Nations body that monitors human rights progress and violations across all member countries. It has http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/LTD/G09/161/50/PDF/G0916150.pdf?OpenElement the right to freedom and expression “one of the essential foundations of a democratic society” and has recognized the Internet’s importance in the “promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression.”
A separate United Nations report http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/06/united-nations-wikileaks-internet-human-rights/38526/ Internet access a human right in June of last year.

What is your opinion on this? I don't see how this can be a right, because I thought a right cannot be something given to you? Instead, rights are something that cannot be taken from you? The Internet always has been, and possibly always will be, a service. You pay people for internet(hoepfully not Rogers or Bell, they are the EA of internet/phone), and they supply you with internet. What's next, having a iPod/iPhone is a basic human right? I'm not doubting the power of the internet, as that was the thing that helped spread the Arab Spring and changed those countries, for better or worse. However, that doesn't mean it can just be a right. Before internet, vehicles have the main source of getting around and interacting with people, but having access to a vehicle was never deemed a right.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong on this. I'd like to hear the opinion of BGSF.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:47 am

What is your opinion on this? I don't see how this can be a right, because I thought a right cannot be something given to you? Instead, rights are something that cannot be taken from you?
The continental European view of rights, developed after the French Revolution, is that rights are powers the state enforces on your behalf. It's not unusual to see that idea in practice outside of Commonwealth constitutional courts.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:22 am

Goes well with the http://www.internetdeclaration.org/freedom started by the EFF



What is your opinion on this? I don't see how this can be a right, because I thought a right cannot be something given to you? Instead, rights are something that cannot be taken from you? The Internet always has been, and possibly always will be, a service. You pay people for internet(hoepfully not Rogers or Bell, they are the EA of internet/phone), and they supply you with internet. What's next, having a iPod/iPhone is a basic human right? I'm not doubting the power of the internet, as that was the thing that helped spread the Arab Spring and changed those countries, for better or worse. However, that doesn't mean it can just be a right. Before internet, vehicles have the main source of getting around and interacting with people, but having access to a vehicle was never deemed a right.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong on this. I'd like to hear the opinion of BGSF.
Life is most certainly a right you have that can be taken away from you. Like Turns-The-Page said, rights are something someone enforces for you to be able to maintain them. Voting is another good example of a right given.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:45 pm

What is your opinion on this? I don't see how this can be a right, because I thought a right cannot be something given to you? Instead, rights are something that cannot be taken from you?
Perhaps a better phrasing would be something that shouldn't be taken from you. In that sense, you might compare the right to internet access to libraries; does everyone have the right to visit a library and read? Or are they a privilege for the elite few, and the ignorant masses don't deserve to make themselves less ignorant? Or something in-between, and you have to somehow "earn" the right to read books? Things like certain groups of people being allowed to vote is something they were given, and something that could be taken away. Instead, it's viewed as a right that a civilized, just society should provide. The internet is in a similar case. It may be a luxury not everyone can afford, but it's not something people should be openly denied.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:01 am

Our tax dollars at work... Seriously, this has absolutely zero effect on anything. Unless they somehow decide internet has to be provided for free. Any country that would forbid their citizens from using the internet is most likely already denying them much more important things anyway.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:52 am

Our tax dollars at work... Seriously, this has absolutely zero effect on anything. Unless they somehow decide internet has to be provided for free. Any country that would forbid their citizens from using the internet is most likely already denying them much more important things anyway.
The notion seems to explicitly state the Internet shouldn't be censored, which IMO is a very important notion.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:26 am

Many of the things which are human rights - food, warmth and shelter, for example - are things which we pay for. Debatable as it may be that the Internet be put on the list, I don't think you can argue that it breaks any precedents in theory...


However, the article you linked to is misleading, and I'd go so far as to say that the person who wrote it actually misunderstood the declaration. I looked up the source of this story and found http://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=12323&LangID=E news article from the UNHRC website. If you scroll down, you'll see that the declaration itself states:
the Council affirms that the same rights that people have offline must also be protected online, in particular freedom of expression, which is applicable regardless of frontiers and through any media of one’s choice, in accordance with articles 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; recognizes the global and open nature of the Internet as a driving force in accelerating progress towards development in its various forms; calls upon all States to promote and facilitate access to the Internet and international cooperation aimed at the development of media and information and communications facilities in all countries; encourages Special Procedures to take these issues into account within their existing mandates; and decides to continue its consideration of the promotion, protection and enjoyment of human rights, including the right to freedom of expression, on the Internet and in other technologies, as well as of how the Internet can be an important tool for development and for exercising human rights, in accordance with its programme of work.

As you can see if you read through and comprehend that wall of text; the resolution calls for the protection of rights on line as well as off line, as well as acknowledging the value of the Internet in the promotion and exercise of rights. That's by no means placing access to the Internet as a right in itself. Sure, it says that States should encourage and facilitate Internet access, but only in very vague terminology that doesn't call for any particulars.

In fact, also mentioned in the article I linked to is Cuba's concern with the resolution insofar as it doesn't address the fact that not everyone has access.


So yeah, be careful where you get your news and who you believe.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:50 am

I am shocked they skipped Cable TV as a human right.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:49 am

The study of Natural Law and Jurisprudence has taken a strange turn, hasn't it?

Free expression is a natural right- sure, and the Internet can be a medium for that, but that doesn't make the medium a right itself.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:38 am

Internet access = pormo or the ability to get away with being a dike
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:17 am

Internet access = pormo or the ability to get away with being a dike
Don't forget the ability to watch endless cute animal videos.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:10 am

Don't forget the ability to watch endless cute animal videos.

Or endless videos of cute animals-

....Yep, Jagar had it right.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:01 am

Internet is so far the only medium which has the capacity to directly and instantly connect numerous people across the entire globe. All other media are either one-directional - people receive information but cannot connect to other people through it; or very limited - i.e. phone communication is bidirectional but you can't connect with a huge number of people at the same time and can pretty much communicate only via voice, not to mention that phone communication across the globe is incredibly pricey. That has a huge effect on the entire world and cultures all over it. In this day and age, a person without a connection to the Internet is practically incapacitated, on par with a person who doesn't have electricity.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:21 am

I'd say as it is right now, it differs from country to country. In the west, particularly in nations with highly developed internet infrastructure such as Scandinavia and Iceland it should be a human right. And I believe Finland was the first to move in this direction. People are becoming increasingly dependent on the internet not just to pay their bills and such, but also for political information and participation. Viewing the internet as some past-time luxury is a relic from the 90's at this point.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:39 am

Leonidas checking his twitter feed and see's a persians post "haha we found a back way, time to screw over the spartans"
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Leonidas checking his twitter feed and see's a persians post "haha we found a back way, time to screw over the spartans"

Your sig should say "Schr?dinger's cat wanted dead and alive".
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:45 am

Your sig should say "Schr?dinger's cat wanted dead and alive".
I never thought about that...good suggestion
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:31 am

I'd say as it is right now, it differs from country to country. In the west, particularly in nations with highly developed internet infrastructure such as Scandinavia and Iceland it should be a human right. And I believe Finland was the first to move in this direction. People are becoming increasingly dependent on the internet not just to pay their bills and such, but also for political information and participation. Viewing the internet as some past-time luxury is a relic from the 90's at this point.
But the whole point of Human Rights is that they should be applied to everyone, equally, across the globe. That's why they call it a Universal Declaration...
Leonidas checking his twitter feed and see's a persians post "haha we found a back way, time to screw over the spartans"
Are you a spambot? Seriously, that made literally no sense. The garbled adverts for Viagra that occasionally come to my mailbox are more coherent than you.
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But the whole point of Human Rights is that they should be applied to everyone, equally, across the globe. That's why they call it a Universal Declaration...

Are you a spambot? Seriously, that made literally no sense. The garbled adverts for Viagra that occasionally come to my mailbox are more coherent than you.
more or less i was more thinking of the idea of it being a human right, its silly and stupid to think so
hence the stupid thing i posted. It is not a right. its a privilege, i make my points in weird ways sometimes dear.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:04 pm

But what you posted had nothing to do with rights or privileges. Or anything.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:09 am

But what you posted had nothing to do with rights or privileges. Or anything.
See look deeper into what i was saying
what i said was a ridiculous notion stupid infact, it also had something to do with the internet
what i cant be cryptic?
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:27 pm

Our tax dollars at work... Seriously, this has absolutely zero effect on anything. Unless they somehow decide internet has to be provided for free. Any country that would forbid their citizens from using the internet is most likely already denying them much more important things anyway.

It's like you want to be oppressed. :confused:
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:21 pm

more or less i was more thinking of the idea of it being a human right, its silly and stupid to think so
hence the stupid thing i posted. It is not a right. its a privilege, i make my points in weird ways sometimes dear.
So your point is that since once upon a time there was no Internet, access to the Internet shouldn't be a human right?

Once upon a time there was no democracy - voting shouldn't be a human right.


And if your point is just that those should be called "human privileges" instead of "human rights", well... semantics. :shrug:
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:43 am

Clearly, the Persian is the government and the Spartans are all of us on the internet. Leonidas spelled backwards is Sadinoel, or "sadi noel", which is >insert foreign language< for "baked pretzel". Okay, I thought I had something going there, but totally lost it.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:11 am

Europe better stop messing with those African and third world nations if this 'human right' will ever see the light of day. America has to stop doing it as well but America is a desperate little thing as you can see. Our political candidates use the exact same arguments against each other now - not even amusing to watch :V

In fact, also mentioned in the article I linked to is Cuba's concern with the resolution insofar as it doesn't address the fact that not everyone has access.

Only Cuba would have concerns. Most of the First World nations of the UN wouldn't give a [censored], just make the resolution than make acts and decrees that will allow the use of copyright to become ever-more vague.

Our tax dollars at work..

Most of our tax dollars go to weapons used to kill people who aren't harmful to us.

This won't receive a cent. Not even a hay-penny.
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