invisibility? Why! : V

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:58 pm

My mage just got invisibility... to find out its been changed from the old games!

In morrowind, with invisibility you could safely flee from your enemy. But now, nothing! I can't so much as avoid a lone bear. Even when I cast muffle first, it doesn't work! Why can't I be invisible!?

Do I need to invest in the sneak skill tree for it to be any good? Or am I just missing something?

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:55 am

I never really understood that, if your invisible, shouldn't you Not be able to be seen? o.o

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:47 pm

Works fine with muffle and invisibility on my PS3, running 1.5. I can run by enemies in sneak mode and not even raise any suspicion, my sneak level being only about 30. So unless one of the patches did something, it's a user error.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:59 am

some annoying people complained about being overpowered in oblivion even though they could have easily ignored the spell

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:07 pm

some annoying people complained about being overpowered in oblivion even though they could have easily ignored the spell

I do think it was way too powerful in oblivion. I haven't had the need to use it in Skyrim though. I guess it could cost a bit more, last a shorter amount of time and be more effective, if it truly is that terrible right now. However, I do not want the invisibility from oblivion, where you didn't even have to sneak to remain undetectable.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:22 am

It appears buggy. From the discussion page of the wiki:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Invisibility#Possibly_buggy

(PC/Steam Version) When I finally got the relevant skill to 75, I got the book (found it actually), learned the spell, and was very disappointed. I figured that between Invisibility and Muffle it would be as good as a Get Out Of A Beating Free combo. Umm.... Not so. I can be in the next room merrily walking around near dimwitted enemies who don't even care, start sneaking, cast Muffle, and then cast Invisibility, and then the crosshairs pretty much go straight to the wide-opened eye state and everyone becomes fully aware of where I am to the degree you'd think I was singing showtunes at the top of my lungs while on fire. I'm pretty sure being invisible and sneaking is supposed to be more effective than sneaking while visible, so I'm going to suggest that possibly something is bugged. Indoors, outdoors, doesn't really matter. Invisibility seems to make me about as subtle as Nyan Cat

Without quiet casting this skill just svcks bad. Or so I've heard. It could be an attempt to make it fairer than it was in previous games... if you had invisibility in Oblivion, you pretty much beat everything on any mode with or without sneak.
Invisibility was changed so sneaks aren't godmode until they get Shadow Warrior.

Yes, i checked and confirmed that unless you have silent casting, invisibility spell radiates constant noise for the whole duration, making enemies VERY alert of your presence. Potions are unaffected, however, so you can still use potions to be "godmode sneak"... although it costs you gold

(I left out the names of the posters in the quotes above in case there is any sensitivity in posting them, but if you go to the link about the post you'll see them)

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:47 am

It works best with a high sneak skill. Otherwise I've found it a bit useless. But then, why would you be invisible if you weren't trying to sneak...

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:50 am

if you did not want to use the proper invisibility then you could use the other spell that was made to not be overpowered, simple. please leave our options (in this case, the one to be op) alone

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:11 pm

if you did not want to use the proper invisibility then you could use the other spell that was made to not be overpowered, simple. please leave our options (in this case, the one to be op) alone

There's no chameleon spell in Skyrim though.

I'm not saying that invisibility shouldn't work. It just shouldn't be as powerful as it was in oblivion where you didn't even have to sneak to be hidden. If it is indeed buggy and will almost automatically make you visible to enemies when you use it, it needs to be fixed so that it works as intended.

Note: Oblivion's invisibilty didn't work as the manual said it would. "Enemies will still be able to hear the player" was written under the invisiblity spell-effect, but in-game it didn't.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:30 pm

Works fine with muffle and invisibility on my PS3, running 1.5. I can run by enemies in sneak mode and not even raise any suspicion, my sneak level being only about 30. So unless one of the patches did something, it's a user error.

+1

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:48 am

My current character has 40 sneak at the moment, but muffle + invisibility is perfectly effective at keeping himself hidden. He also has quiet casting. When muffle runs out, he gets detected quite easily despite only wearing robes.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:35 am

My current character has 40 sneak at the moment, but muffle + invisibility is perfectly effective at keeping himself hidden. He also has quiet casting. When muffle runs out, he gets detected quite easily despite only wearing robes.

Huh. I'm on xbox with dawnguard. You think it's just quiet casting I need?

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:53 pm

I do believe you have to be in "Sneak Mode" for it to work. If your trying to use it while standing your not invisible, at least that's what happened to me. Go to third person and check what you look like. Oh! and once you stand or touch something it's gone. One of the only times I used third person was when I was breaking into the Thalmor Embassy. 10 bottles of potion and my own cheap spell just to get in. Getting out was easy, just kill everything that moves after you get the papers of course.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:19 am

The key is to apply it before you've been detected. If they see you go invisible they know you're still there. They can see the distortion because they're looking for it. For it to work you have to go invisible befor the enemy detect you, then you should be able to sneak past them.

I like the way it works in Skyrim. In Oblivion it was basically a sanctuary spell, a get out of jail free card. You'd just use it to escape any situation. In Skyrim it requires forsight to be able to work.

Plus I've wondered if animals can actually smell you, because I've had a very high sneak skill and tried sneaking past a sleeping bear and it still wakes up and attacks me.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:40 am

Huh. I'm on xbox with dawnguard. You think it's just quiet casting I need?

"Need" essential I would say If you casting invisibility without it enemies in the area will still be able to hear it and head to the area they heard you cast. Quite casting is always the perk I aim to get in the Illusion tree first.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:15 pm

The key is to apply it before you've been detected. If they see you go invisible they know you're still there. They can see the distortion because they're looking for it. For it to work you have to go invisible befor the enemy detect you, then you should be able to sneak past them.

I like the way it works in Skyrim. In Oblivion it was basically a sanctuary spell, a get out of jail free card. You'd just use it to escape any situation. In Skyrim it requires forsight to be able to work.

Plus I've wondered if animals can actually smell you, because I've had a very high sneak skill and tried sneaking past a sleeping bear and it still wakes up and attacks me.

Agreed if you use it properly you will never be detected any way! Normally I just take the first 5 base perks in the sneak tree combination of muffle quite casting I was able to go right through golden glow estate no one spotted me.

EDIT first 3 perks in sneak tree is all you need

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:16 am

Even with Muffle & Silent Casting, Invisibility didn't seem to do me any good until my Sneak was 75+ - even now (at 90 - but with no Sneak Perks) it just doesn't seem to work super great. I do miss "Oblivion Strength" Invisibility - I used it just to walk around and enjoy the world - without having to stop every 30 secs to kill a boar or bear or...whatever when I no longer needed to kill anything to level my skills or get goods to sell. Sometimes you just don't want to fight every darn thing :wink:

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:28 am

Huh. I'm on xbox with dawnguard. You think it's just quiet casting I need?

I would highly recommend quiet casting to all mages interested in stealth. It's especially powerful against Falmers. I can repeatedly cast runes and damage them without getting detected.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:34 am

The only way to be sneaky now is just have high sneak. Otherwise, invisibility is useless. Kind of a silly logic, I mean, you're invisible!

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:09 am

some annoying people complained about being overpowered in oblivion even though they could have easily ignored the spell

Exactly this.

Now you have to sneak to use invisibility ><

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:30 am

I never understand why people are so insistent that there be overpowered spells and items in the game. TURN THE DAMN DIFFICULTY DOWN TO EASY IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT ALL BE SO EASY,

As for invisibility, I haven't tinkered with it yet, but my understanding is that there is no perfect invisibility in the game - and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:57 pm

I never understand why people are so insistent that there be overpowered spells and items in the game. TURN THE DAMN DIFFICULTY DOWN TO EASY IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT ALL BE SO EASY,

As for invisibility, I haven't tinkered with it yet, but my understanding is that there is no perfect invisibility in the game - and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

It doesnt have anything to do with 'overpowered', we seem to have this discussion a lot.
This is an RPG.
Mages can turn invisible.
This is not overpowered, it is fun and no-one forces you to use it if you dont want to.

Therefore, once again, to clamour for the removal or downgrading of a feature that does not affect you one bit is downright rude.

And look where this mentality has gotten us, this 'I dont like it, so no-one can play with it' train of thought.
Now invisibility requires one to sneak ><

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:34 pm

It doesnt have anything to do with 'overpowered', we seem to have this discussion a lot.
This is an RPG.
Mages can turn invisible.
This is not overpowered, it is fun and no-one forces you to use it if you dont want to.

Therefore, once again, to clamour for the removal or downgrading of a feature that does not affect you one bit is downright rude.

And look where this mentality has gotten us, this 'I dont like it, so no-one can play with it' train of thought.
Now invisibility requires one to sneak ><

Foolproof anything is overpowered. Invisibility is still in the game, it's just that it isn't perfect and foolproof - and yes, perfect, foolproof invisibility strips the challenge from the game, which is why some game mechanics are removed.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:25 am

Foolproof anything is overpowered. Invisibility is still in the game, it's just that it isn't perfect and foolproof - and yes, perfect, foolproof invisibility strips the challenge from the game, which is why some game mechanics are removed.

It is silly that you have to sneak not to be seen when invisible, and this is with muffle and cast out of earshot.
That is just silly.
Mages in Skyrim are not mages at all, they are apprentices.

» Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:35 pm

It is silly that you have to sneak not to be seen when invisible, and this is with muffle and cast out of earshot.
That is just silly.
Mages in Skyrim are not mages at all, they are apprentices.

I agree with this. No one can hear you cast your spells, you're invisible and muffled, yet you're spotted cuz you're not crouched? Just silly