From the title of this forum i know i may give the high and mighty "I'm so smart" impression but I'm not , I just want to point out what is happening with ESO because alot of people seem to be mis-informed and hotly debating now irrelevant discussions

If you want the skinny see this ( some bits arent up to date , never mind that comment about WOW mechanics , thats not correct , --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3GThZj_Z54&feature=related

• ESO is set during a time period where not much lore has been set , all the lore ties in to the TES universe , the TES loremaster is regularly met with by the team

"Lore.

The Elder Scrolls franchise has an enormous body of backstory, and ESO is blowing it out even further. Zenimax Online is working hand-in-hand with the loremasters at Bethesda Game Studios to flesh out Tamriel’s Second Era, so lore nuts should have plenty to digest. " - game informer

• They announced it will only have a sub fee for a few months and will then be free to play
  
• Bethesda are still making single player TES rpg's , TESO is zenimax's projectand it doesnt upset the lore or universe in any way
  
• ?The open world PvP is only in Cyrodill , not the rest of the world , there are ALSO instanced PvP grounds as well they also eliminated lowbie camping

Non-instanced PvP warfare.

Remember the good old days of open warfare in the Hillsbrad Foothills as huge mobs of players fought over Tarren Mill and Southshore? Expand that to the entire province of Cyrodiil. Take out the server-crashing lag, since the engine can handle up to 200 players onscreen and Zenimax Online has still-under-wraps plans to divert excess population. Forget about lowbie ganking, since everyone’s stats are automatically boosted to level-cap status in Cyrodiil. Oh, and there are things to fight over besides murdering helpless questgivers. Like, for instance, keeps whose walls you can bash down with trebuchets.- game informer

• 3 v 3 PvP system " you can team up with one side against the remaining third faction" which means their is no language gap , you are not forced to attack just because your not in the same faction.
  
• It is not using the hero engine ( strangely the only thing everyone's up to date with )
  
• They are making sure there is no PvE trinity such as healer , dps and tank , your not pigeonholed into a role
  
• they are not splitting 2 different gear types i.e. PvP PvE gear

There is soo soo much information in all the interviews and articles, see --> http://www.gameinformer.com/p/elderscrollsonline.aspx

"They announced it will only have a sub fee for a few months and will then be free to play"

I've read everything on TESO, and this is the first I'm hearing of this. I believe what you're talking about is one anolyst that came out and said almost this exact same thing, but he is not in any way affiliated with Zenimax.

I believe his point about the subscription fee is incorrect as I saw nothing of such a mention in the GI article or any other source. Not sure how I feel about World PvP being limited to Cyrodiil, assuming that is true. Does that potentially suggest that enemy factions cannot travel to other provinces that are not their own? Or does it just mean an outside player cannot attack players of other factions in their home turf? Whatever the case, somewhat disappointed if PvP is limited to Cyrodiil.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/the-elder-scrolls-online-will-carry-a-monthly-subscription-fee-says-consultant/ found the article , yeah I overlooked that part , mis-read it a bit , my bad but the rest is up to date accurate pie

also not sure about open world PvP outside cyrodill , there was little to nothing said about it so far

Also i'm relatively sure that there is some mention of there still being dedicated healing, though aggro tables have been done away with? I am looking for my GI, but can't seem to locate it right now. Either way, I am pretty sure that dedicated healers are still a part of TESO... You didn't actually say there wouldn't be dedicated healers, only that the trinity didn't exist in its current form, and that is technically true, but I just wanted to make that observation.

If there's something that refutes that, let me know.

Yep. There is still quite a lot we don't know. Heck, the developers may not have even decided yet. We'll just have to wait and see, and I can definitely understand the rationale to limiting world PvP to a designated PvP zone, but then it kind of takes the "world" part out of it. Hopefully we'll get some nice, juicy details with E3 around the corner.

They aren't removing the holy trinity exactly, what they said in the article is any five reasonably skilled players should be able to complete most of the content in the game. They are removing traditional aggro mechanics that you see in most MMOs with your typical tank&spank mechanic. Players will have to be much more responsible for keeping themselves alive rather than depending on a dedicated healer. That being said, healing is still a large part of the game and classes that decide to use a shield will have more options for tanking purposes than one without.

The best way to really describe it is they are softening the constraints of the holy trinity and allowing players to be more well-rounded while also trying to make combat more dynamic removing the typical aggro system. Holy Trinity is still present but ESO is just allowing the player more control over how one manipulates it. Being able to choose your own weapon also brings another dynamic in how one can customize and create their own character.

yeah from what I gather it seems to be healing as a form of help each other out like everyone uses the basic healing spell at the start of the game throughout skyrim and oblivion no matter what your build , their mention anyone can be good with any weapon if you use it enough makes me believe that they stop pigeon holing you into a role with a new name , for example , I used to play WoW a few years agobut got bored , anyway , i was a healer and soloing quests was a pain cus cant hit with weapons and i have cruddy damage on my offensive spells but with ESO their whole good with any weapon if you use enough no matter your build approach makes me beleive its just like skyrim where you can still be a healer but you dont have to specialize in one handed to do 14 dam with a 14 dam sword whereas WoW you couldnt even hit with it becuase you didnt pick a warrior build and also if your a mage your not strictly resto , just like skyrim , you can pick conjuration , destruction and resto , that's what I think they are doing , it makes alot of sense to me and would be so great

they are not splitting 2 different gear types i.e. PvP PvE gear

THANK YOU GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I've heard a couple people say the first thing, that there'll be PvP "battlegrounds" other than just the open-world PvP, but you do have an official source for that? I don't think I've heard anyone say it officially, though it wouldn't surprise me, even DAoC had some instanced BG's, but they were hella cool...

Where did you get this second part? I never heard anything about everyone going into Cyrodiil and automatically getting Level-Cap status, though I've read basically everything I could find on the PvP of the game, could you name a source for that to?


Lastly to clear up the "Hol Trinity" confusion: There still WILL BE a Holy Trinity, HOWEVER, it just won't matter as much. They said a group of say, 5 Rogues, can take out 90% of the content, however, 90% does not equal 100%. Obviously, you'll still be BETTER-OFF having a well balanced group of tank/heals/dps, but it's just not required. So basically, in a lot of games where you needed a tank/healer to do most dungeon runs, that won't be entirely necessary in ESO, though it will be helpful no doubt, and you'll no doubt be able to go through the dungeons faster with a well-balanced group then you would be with an all-Rogue group.

Nice!

yup sources are here , most of them are in the interviews , sorry i can't quote them , the interviews are like 20 minutes long , each o.0

A link would ceratinly suffice, and I've seen all the IG interviews, and I don't remember them mentioning the thing about people automatically hitting level-cap in Cyrodiil, I do vaguely remember them saying something about an instanced Battlegrounds tho.

I still can't get over the fact that TESO doesn't have a true action combat.
It would make the game simply way too awesome.

Are you guys really thinking sub-fees are becoming only Blizzard exclusive? I dont think so. Get a grip guys they arent going anywhere. Hell I predict shop + sub fee is the way of the future. Optional shop can help quite a bit.

That's why Titan, which is Blizzard, is gonna be b2p...

I can't find a link, but I also remember reading that players will hit cap when entering faction PvP in Cyrodiil.

I believe you, but sometimes the sources aren't always reliable. *shrug* No big deal then.

link

http://www.gameinformer.com/p/elderscrollsonline.aspx <-- sorry could have sworn i put that in my last post , my bad ^^

Thanks!

Where did they announce that? The only time I've seen this mentioned in an interview was with an anolyst that was not from Zenimax. If Zenimax actually said it, where did they do it? Not saying "zomg ur wrong" just trying to find out where it came from, 'cause if I missed that then chances are I missed something else from the same interview.

So basically any players who dont want to be forced to PVP, stay away from Cyrodiil. So I would have to miss out on any PVE quests that might be there if I am not wanting to fight other players to find them.

His sources come directly from the GI magazine issue on ESO. Go to any local Gamestop and you can sift through all the information (a lot which is not mentioned on the GI website).

We caught it earlier in the thread. He was referencing the anolyst that was predicting the pay model ESO would have. ZeniMax Online currently has not officially announced what kind of pay model ESO will have.