I like many of you am a longtime fan of the Elderscrolls series infact i have supported them since the days of ES 3 on my PC and Xbox. Nowdays i can no longer afford the cost of computers and the needed upgrades every 4-6 months furthermore after 3 Xbox 360's and the red ring of death i moved to the Playstation 3. As you can imagine i was psyched as hell to get Oblivion,Fallout 3 and Skyrim and like many of you i got kicked in the balls by a bugy unplayable game i purchased all the Fallout 3 dlc and again was rewarded with a craptastic and unplayable game so i for one am done with Bethesda they have no right to release what are clearly broken and defective games on the P3 and then act all shocked when we get upset. I urge all you P3 owners Just say no when it comes to a game released by published by or backed by Bethesda or Zenimax in anyway peace out.

Sorry for the problems (seriously), but I'm not going to say no. I'm having fun (on 360 btw.. never redringed for some reason.. *crosses fingers*). I've been playing Skyrim on and off for a year. I have my complaints, but there are few game companies that make something that entertains me as long.

I understand and good luck i hope you never have any of the problems i encountered on my old 360's. Slay some vampires for me

You are grossly misinformed and/or very bad at buying computer components.

agreed mine is from '09 and has never been upgraded. It runs skyjob, poorly but it runs.
However I agree that Beth should not be producing games at all let alone on the PS3 as they clearly don't care about the final product.

I will freely admit the 4-6 months statement was exaggerated i was a bit upset att the time but with that said the cost of a good gaming computer is roughly 1500+ if you fell im wrong by all means correct me . All in all im just bummed i use to respect Bethesda but not so much anymore.

Sorry, but just... no.

Perhaps you should read all the post. I admitted i was just upset and the 4-6 months statement was exaggerated do to me being a bit angry. Its just all these problems dating back to Fallout 3 and now Skyrim can realy make you pissed att times. Besides with a title like just say no to Bethesda im sure you quickly realised the person writing this post was more then likely a P3 owner so why even comment ?

This. Last computer I built was in 2004 I was able to run everything up to and including Fallout: New Vegas on it. I didn't upgrade untl a month before Skyrim dropped to upgrade my computer and even then it only cost me $700 and now I'm good for another 8 years.

And also, you are pissed off at Bethesda because you went from a semi-reliable platform to a clearly inferior one? That doesn't make sense. Sorry, I don't feel bad for you. Should've either bought another 360 or put the money you wasted on the PS3 towards a PC.

Lol yes a P3 is absolutely inferior to a PC got any other bombshells, perhaps the meaning of life, will dark matter eventually destroy our galaxy? Its good to see console or in your case computer snobbery still alive and well peace. BTW Tallest yeah i admited i was pissed att the moment and the comment of 4-6 months was wrong it was just me being pissed so again to yet another person why comment unless you felt the need to try and insult or make me fell bad lol.

My computer was built in 2008; still works like a charm, I can push Skyirm on Ultra settings (but shadows at High settings) at 1920 x 1200. Comfortable average of around 50 FPS.

Awesome gotta admit i am a little jealous.

You don't need to update your computer every 4-6 months to play Skyrim.
I'm pretty sure you need to do it the once for Skyrim and then you wait until Skyrim 2 is released in 5 years or so.

No. This is not true. I think you're trying to make yourself feel better after making the wrong decision and buying a PS3.

would you people please read the other comments before repeating the exact same thing again and again? It's already been said that the 4-6 months was an angry exaggeration and many others have commented how they have computers that can play well and last years. Don't just read the OP and not bother to read a single thing that's been said since then.

even if I was a PS3 owner i think i would still buy bethesda games because they are some of the best and longest lasting games out there. The only concession i might make is that maybe you should wait a couple weeks or even a month or two before buying a game/dlc to see if others, who impulsively bought it the day it came out, have been having major issues.

Nah i love my P3 just bummed about all the skyrim probs. But hey whatever its a free forum say what you want personally i am gonna trade in Skyrim an get AC3 and finish paying of the new Aliens game later people have a nice day.

Focusing on some unintentional hyperbole is a great way to derail people from focusing on the main point of your comment, which was that Bethesda knowingly releases games with significant problems. Bethesda knew there "might" be issues for the PS3 before release and were well-aware of the challenges posed by porting its game to the PS3. Because they are a business--and people don't get paid to say "No, I can' do it" to their employers--the focus was on money and making something that would, hopefully, be "good enough." Businesses exist to make money, so there always has to be a balance between people who want to create something wonderful and people who just care about the bottom line. In an environment which placed a greater value on customer experience, you would have seen a very different game released last year. I also think that, if it weren't for Bethesda releasing the CK and giving modders tools to fix and alter the game themselves, there would be more significant outcry from users about the quality of their games. Thank God for Arthmoor & Company!

In Bethesda's defense, their games are enormously complex and some error is built-in to the game due to this complexity. This really isn't entirely Bethesda's fault. If you read some of the comments Todd Howard has made (Google's your pal on this), you will learn that some people's problems were popping up by having a particular spell equipped at some point in the game. They have done an amazing job with an antiquated and patched up game engine. Happily, they have acknowledged that they will be using a different, unspecified engine in the future. Hopefully, this will fix some of the persistent issues that have been present in Bethesda games since Morrowind.

At the end of the day, money runs the show. Somewhere in the mix there is a suit gumming up the works who doesn't really care about anything but how many units are sold. I don't think that the game designers want to make a game that is shoddy or incomplete and I don't know what has prevented them from doing a better job with quality control. I don't blame any of the issues on Bethesda's creative team. I feel that they want to create a beautiful world to play in that they want their fans to enjoy. But you can see a trend here and elsewhere of alpha and beta releases being sold as finished games. Studios can patch up the games at leisure and still meet their quarterly revenue goals. Since people aren't changing their purchasing habits, there is literally no motive for any studio to change this modus operandi. I would love to hear what some of the game designers might have to say about the state of these releases if they didn't have to worry about their jobs. I'm sure many of them are upset about the situation. Who wouldn't be?

I knew that Skyrim would be released with signficant issues that made the game unplayable for many gamers at release. That was a given, but I bought it anyway and hoped for the best. I got lucky, although I still never got to have that wonderful, immersive introduction to Skyrim because of problems that made the game, literally, unplayable until I'd spent some time scouring the web for fixes and getting the game patched up. Again, I didn't expect any better, and delayed implementing patches for months--and skipping some entirely--because I anticipated problems with them. I bought Dawnguard a month or so after release and, again, expected problems. And, naturally, I got them. When Hearthfire was released, I immediately went to the support forums to see what issues were present in the game for XBox users, reasoning that most of these issues would likely not be fixed by the time the DLC was released on the PC. It doesn't really matter, though. I'm not going to buy it anyway.

I love Skyrim, but I've had issues with it since Day 1. I've learned a lot about how the game works and how to get it to play well with mods. Mods are the only reason I bought Skyrim, since I anticipated that there would be significant problems with the game. Sadly, no one is making comparable games, so there's really no choice for me if I want to play something. I stopped playing most video games ages ago. Unfortunately, as much as I have loved and continue to enjoy Bethesda games, if no changes are made in the quality of their releases and the way they are doing business, Dawnguard is going to be the last thing I purchase from them.

I understand your anger and frustration. I love Bethesda--I am a genuine fan--but I don't understand why other fans are so frequently unwilling to acknowledge problems with the quality of Bethesda's releases. I hate that I feel like I'm just paying for headaches when purchasing one of their games. There is a huge pay-off, of course, but my experience is always bittersweet.

I agree with Discariot..There are two problems at work here:

1. Beth has a reputation in the industry, let alone the fanbase, for releasing buggy products...in a lot of pre-release and post-release reviews and profiles for Skyrim, the standard joke was in relation to the game's bugginess, or potential bugginess. When your peers laugh at you, obviously there is something definitely wrong.

2. Far too many fans/players are prepared to accept a shoddy product, and then criticise or lambast other players who raise issue with it...why? I can't understand this, except that it's a very self-centred motive - I'm alright, therefore anyone who isn't is a troll. The irony of this is that ultimately if Beth continues to produce sub-par programming, regardless of the prettiness or story-line, then it may well suffer, particularly with the number of good indie companies coming along. Remember, it doesn't look good for PS3 or any future PS releases if Beth churns out games that don't work on them...that means a possibility of no more Beth for PS consoles, because perhaps Sony doesn't want its' product smeered with Beth's poor standards. If the same thing happens with Xbox, then that's a significant dent to Beth.

Ultimately: Shoddy product = shoddy rep = loss of industry support and sales = Bye bye Beth.

If the only way to save the games we love is to whine and lobby Beth to improve their performance, then we should all be doing so...not eating the spoon fed product like a bunch of battery cows being milked as needed.

I will admit that I only read the first post before making mine. Sorry about that.

Anyway... to Stormheart83:

As much as I understand your feelings towards the company, I think it is known that people will still generally buy the next TES game anyway simply because of its reputation. Bethesda and The Elder Scrolls series are so far the only ones of their kind that exist; until another developer comes up with another game that's in direct competition to TES (a massive sandbox single player RPG with rich amount of lore)... people will continue to buy these games. And the devs know that they can release anything they want because the community will do all their bugfixing for them anyway...

Besides, they've been known to release buggy (and sometimes unfinishable) games since like what, 1997? Does anyone remember unpatched Daggerfall?

So yeah, it's kind of sad.

Im wondering when this "inferior" garbage will get old. Though I do love how you advise him to buy yet ANOTHER... yes you said another... clearly "superior" Xbox.

And this is why threads that start "My favorite platform is better than your favorite platform" sniping back and forth end up locked.

For the ps3 players; I hope that Bethesda will get the many issues solved, sooner rather than later.

I hope that everyone can find a game that meets their expectations.

This thread is locked before anyone ends up with a warning.