Lack of Imperial Battlemages

Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:52 pm

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. + I honestly never saw any mages fighting Alduin at the start, the only one I know of is the guy in the torture room, and he... well tortures people, not exactly a battle mage.

There are a couple close to General Tullius during the attack. Looked like they were robed and hooded rather than armoured though so not classic battlemages.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:11 pm

hey i remember meeting back up with imperial mages from cyrodil in skyrim!

its that mission where you go in the dwarven ruins to find the elder scroll and there is an imperial mage saying that they are here on official business from the emperor etc

all of them are dead apart from one guy who is really suspicious

so yeah you see them again...but thats it hahah
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:17 am

The Battlemages in the legion are in the same place as the women in the legion: Overlooked. We see all of two women active in the Legion: Legate Rikke and Captain Off-With-Your-Head in the beginning (which is coincidentally the only place you see legion battlemages).

Also, IIRC, the Legion Battlemages seen in the beginning had standard legion light armor but had a scarf hood instead of the usual helmet.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:55 am

This has been bugging me for quite a while. Glad I'm not the only one who noticed it.


I'm also confused as to why the Imperial Legion doesn't have any units of subterfuge working in Skyrim. I know the Blades used to be their intelligence gathers and they've pretty much gone the way of the dodo but you'd think they'd have created a new organization for spying, sabotage, and other acts of a questionable nature after the Great War, and Skyrim would be a perfect "Trial by fire" proving ground for them.

Penitus Oculatus replaced the Blades.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:54 am

I'm also confused as to why the Imperial Legion doesn't have any units of subterfuge working in Skyrim. I know the Blades used to be their intelligence gathers and they've pretty much gone the way of the dodo but you'd think they'd have created a new organization for spying, sabotage, and other acts of a questionable nature after the Great War, and Skyrim would be a perfect "Trial by fire" proving ground for them.


The http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Penitus_Oculatus_OutpostI believe take over that role. But they dont seem to do much except for one quest line.




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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:36 pm

bethesda really need to expand more quests for both imperial legions and storm cloaks.

when i fighted for the legion i didnt feel any satisfaction, there should have been a rank system and a way of getting to have an imperial soldier as a follower etc

and after completing all the tasks for the imperial legion there should have been some unique imperial armour given etc :(

there also should have been imperial mage quests or linking in the mages guild to the imperial legion

i feel that the civil war part was just thrown in :/
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:15 pm

you obviously have not played a mage yet.

nords hate magic.
If you mean by pure mage, no I haven't. But I have played it with battlemage type characters and the nords seem to be okay with: Restoration, destruction, illusion and conjuration as well as enchanting. I think alteration is the only one unmentioned as a school.

But for mages themselves, yes they dislike them. But I don't believe the Empire would care. The Empire would think that winning the civil war is worth ruffing some feathers. I mean, they have agreed to ban Talos temporary, so I don't think using mages to win the war is something they would hesitate to do.

The only possible explination I can think of is that they have none to spare, but I would think the civil war is high up on the Empire's prioritylist.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:49 am

There are a couple close to General Tullius during the attack. Looked like they were robed and hooded rather than armoured though so not classic battlemages.

There are? Damn, guess I never noticed. :blink:

i feel that the civil war part was just thrown in :/

Agreed. Didn't join the imperials yet, but Stormcloak's "questline", if you can even call it like that, was horribly vague. Initiation was killing a critter in the wilderness, as if I'm joining some obscure guild rather than national army, and other quests were mostly only "go to that fort and clean it out". Something I did anyway while I roleplayed a true nationalist nord, which happened to be my very 1st character, so it was pretty boring. Some things deviated a bit, like when I was sent to hand over the axe to the Jarl of Whiterun, but I was a wee bit disappointed when I realized I have no power in convincing him to join us, and all in all I was just another soldier ocasionally sent to do personal errands of higher ranked ones. I guess being Ulfric's private pet was supposed to give me some feeling of honor, but it really didn't. :shrug: All in all half arsed, much better than Oblivion, but still half arsed.
I hope Imperial part is a bit better, but that would fall hard on me since I don't like imperials one bit. I'll just do it for the sake of completion. :P
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:38 pm

It is rather strange seeming how they would seem more like the magic users since nords hate it
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:20 am

In combination with the Mage's Guild collapsing, there isn't much concern about the civil war back in Cyrodil. Much like the NCR and the situation in the Mojave in Fallout: New Vegas, the Empire didn't see Ulfric as much of a threat until he killed the High King. It could be that the severity of the situation hasn't tricked down to those in high command and so have kept their more effective forces back in cyrodil rather than risk them in a "petty rebellion". Hadvar himself responds to the PCs questioning of the situation in Skyrim with "I guess back in Cyrodil people have other things to worry about".
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:49 am

I wonder how many battlemages there are. I know it has been about 30 years since the Great War, but it can't be easy to rebuild their forces. What percentage of mages even want to be battlemages?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:08 am

If you mean why are they not in the game after the beginning from a gaming point of view it is a few reasons, in my opinion.
One. The game has been made for a general ordinance so quest lines were shortened to make them easier to accept. So Battlemages would have just made it more complicated for the general people who only play Skyrim once and no more. They do not see nor want the depth and so Beth just left the civil war, Imperial Vs Stormcloak a nice even straight fight. + The Imperials with Battlemages would destroy a army without them, sort of like a army in modern times with out tanks lol.
Two. Skyrim was rushed and they drop magic, so why put effort into Battlemages. They clearing intended to, as they are at the start but as they are not in the rest of the game I think they dropped them as they would have been more work.

Really? There aren't battlemages because the game is simpler. Is that your explanation? People shouldn't (IMO) just shove this excuse up on every missing feature.

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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:40 pm

If you mean by pure mage, no I haven't. But I have played it with battlemage type characters and the nords seem to be okay with: Restoration, destruction, illusion and conjuration as well as enchanting. I think alteration is the only one unmentioned as a school.

But for mages themselves, yes they dislike them. But I don't believe the Empire would care. The Empire would think that winning the civil war is worth ruffing some feathers. I mean, they have agreed to ban Talos temporary, so I don't think using mages to win the war is something they would hesitate to do.

The only possible explination I can think of is that they have none to spare, but I would think the civil war is high up on the Empire's prioritylist.

I think none to spare is the only explanation that makes sense
They are in a cold war situation with the Aldmeri Dominion so they won't want to weaken their forces on the borders in case the Aldmeri Dominion attacks
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:25 am

i feel that the civil war part was just thrown in :/

I wouldn't say thrown in. I'd say yet another extra. Bethesda do add so many little extras and extra detail into their game as a way to push beyond the competition and to make the game seem so much more real. They can't make everything so solid as they'd never have time to get the game out into the shops. Fans want the full ticket yet they also want it yesterday. We are all the same. I at the moment am getting impatient for the dlc yet I can guess why they aren't rushing it out. They want to sort all the bugs out first and don't want more to add to the problem.
They are big team and they give a large money's worth of game which I find hard to see a decent competitor as of yet. Dragonage have openly said they will copy a lot of Skyrim and will try and compete. The down side is it take a lot of time to develop these games and if they aren't careful they'll have bugs - hence the problem they face now and hence the dlc being held back until the bugs are sorted.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:31 pm

I suppose one could RP that Imperial battlemages were banned or strictly limited as part of the White-Gold Concordat. It would be easy to imagine the Dominion wanting to keep magic as their edge.

That said, I miss them in Skyrim.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:02 pm

Battlemages? :shrug:
Streamlined out of the game! :wave:
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