My last post seemed to spark an interesting post by the community.
So I decided to make another being I wanted to correct the whole Dragon Issue problem I had with this game and why I even invested in it or made this post in the first place and focus on discussing more about skyrim then the whole gaming industry as a whole.

First off again I would like to say I admire what Bethesda has done and hope they continue to do new things and create amazing worlds.
As someone who is a game designer I can tell how much work you have put into this game.
I know how amazingly vast this world is you have created. I respect the work and think this is one of the best master pieces seen on any console game design wise. This game will probably go down as one of the best games ever. But I beg you for the next one to include new playable races or dragons or show us a new realm to the elder scrolls series.

Now the only reason why I even decided picking up Skyrim was seeing this web article on the internet:
http://gamingsrapture.com/wordpress/2011/10/25/skyrim-to-include-summoning-of-a-dragon-ally/

Now to be honest if I didn't see this I probably wouldn't have bought the game. No joke so I kept my promise to a friend and bought all the collectors edition and the strategy collectors edition.


So as one poster pointed out yesterday. I obviously haven't looked into the lore of TES.
Really? you sure I haven't.

Let me make two points and I think that is enough to call "Game Over"

First Point that most seemed to believe. That all dragons that are in TES are 100% evil according to the Lore. First off that is not true and ill show the evidence to prove you wrong.
First off the designer or creator of a world when they make a race all 100% evil. I don't agree with that and find that world to be dumb and won't support it.

Now I understand the storyline in this we have a black dragon which is bringing back dragons - sounds like they are trying to appeal to World of Warcraft players but that is just my opinion. Since the black race in blizzards game is considered 100% evil but not all the races in world of warcraft are evil. So I don't consider the game to be dumb.

Now with that said. god.. I swear I am starting to sound like the Nostalgia Critic.

SPOILERS! WARNING!!!



Point #1.

The Dragon at the end of oblivion prevents the world from being destroyed. We see someone actually transform into a dragon. So who is to say that future elder scroll games wouldn't allow for that.
Evidence is in this video: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=oblivion+ending&aq=f

Also another point if elder scrolls wanted to introduce a new race like the Draconians who is to say they couldn't it is there game and I highly respect it.
I am just hoping in the next installment I get to play as a dragon or something different. I want new races in the game otherwise why should I buy something which just keeps doing the same thing?


Point #2 okay this one is really going to slay the whole - DRAGONS ARE 100% evil.
In skyrim at a certain point you have a .. WHAT!!! is that a dragon I see you summoning.. Wait wait.. I thought you guys told me dragons are all evil in this world. WTF is this! seriously... WTF!!!
Oh don't believe me. why don't you open up the collectors edition strategy book. Look at page 154.
Now something wouldn't be in your service or help you if it was all EVIL!

Unless you like to point out any other famous game which where one of the evil guys joins you or any fantasy story which has this. Sure some games do have this but they usually end up betraying you and I see no evidence of this dragon deciding to betray you.

GAME OVER! your points are destroyed.


Now what i'd like to close with. Bethesda If you put Dragons in your next game playable ill personally buy every content you release here from now on.
I will buy the collectors edition of everyone you game you put out and invest $2000+ to your games.

I am dead serious. I hope the next elder scrolls game allows this otherwise I will have to pass until eventually you put in new races or playable dragons which I hope you do eventually.

Again this is my opinion and if you don't like it that is fine.
I respect this company for what they have done and just hope they appeal to people who love to play as some form of Dragon and again I am not asking for the player to start out as a giant Over powered creature in a game. So stop assuming this please.

Frankly I think it would be epic if the player started out as some small walking upright dragon with a battle axe and eventually over time you become more powerful and eventually turn into a full form dragon or can even change from an Anthro upright form to a full big dragon but that would require you being a really high level.

Again if you think this is dumb then maybe I shouldn't have bought this game or be supporting this game company which I do and I hope listen to those who bought
this game based on the fact dragons can be good.

the dragon at the end o oblivion is martin septim becoming the avatar of akatosh....

dragon may not be all evil but doesnt mean dragons are or should be playable at any point in time.

maybe something like a weredragon would be cool

That in your opinion and I respect it but what people failed to respond to that.. in my previous post.

Then why give people the ability to play as Argonians, Khajiit, Elves or werewolves or vampires, etc. Why give players the ability to summon a Dragon even?
Again I understand you might not like the races above and enjoy playing the same knight character that is probably seen in most RPG games but I want to see some new RPG games which let you play as different races but have an amazing developing team like what Bethesda did with skyrim.

I am not getting a response from the posters - so please don't ignore my question. All I am getting is "We shouldn't do that" when most people I talk too who wanted to play skyrim wanted to play as a dragon.
Maybe you need to go around asking people what they want instead of what you want.

That was Martin Septim turning into the god Akatosh, which if you knew about lore you'd know it's not just a normal dragon.

You said dragon.. just pointing that out and by the way a playable race of dragon doesn't have to be the same form of dragon that you are fighting in skyrim hence what "Alduin" is.
but I guess you didn't read my full post.
So I think you get my point nice try thought and glad you didn't respond to my second point.

I know how old school gamers sometimes don't like change but I do sadly, cause I got tired of the same experiences.
Maybe that is why popular games like D&D eventually made RPG books where you can roleplay as a dragons.

The Avatar of Akatosh is, by far, no normal Dragon. Even on the scale of Alduin, and his folk. Any TES fanatic can tell you that.

Martin was only able to turn into him, because he destroyed the Amulet of Kings - which was imbued with the Blood of Akatosh, Himself. He then combined it with his own blood, as we know the line of the Septim's has dragonblood in their veins. It was through this unique event, that Martin was able to transform himself into, essentially, his ancestor - Akatosh (through the union of blood).

Furthermore, many have noted that the Septim line is 'no normal men'. In addition, the Avatar of Akatosh is (as I assume) the only truly good 'dragon' in Tamriel, namely because he is a God. Now, as it is show in Skyrim's main questline...

Dude can you just move along, go makeout with a dragon or something.

If you haven't noticed nobody here shares you opinion. And that's the great thing about opinions we all get to have our own! And noone can force us to change it! I can tell you that you opinion is completely ridiculous and your a fool for believing what you do! And you can say the same to me! But no amount of arguing back forth will change our opinions! So here's an Idea, let it go, keep it to yourself!

I see a distinct possibility of being able to turn into a dragon at some point in the series' future. What makes me say this? Akavir, the Tiger people who strive to be dragons. Could it be a power you gain, or just something you could do near the end of the game? Who knows, when bethesda have milked Tamriel they have a whole new continent written into their lore.

It would be cool to have as a power. A very limited use power mind, or it would have to be unrealistically ineffective. However, considering we cant swing a weapon whilst riding a horse, I dont see breathing fire whilst flying in the NEAR near future. Tis possible at some point though.

This is frankly pretty ridiculous. I'm fine with speculation, but there is no base to speculate on here.

Also, should be in cheats, hints and spoilers.

Again do I have to quote you "you just said Dragon" it doesn't have to be normal - nothing is normal really. It sure looks like a dragon to me. Sure you can try to argue that all you want.
I don't see you blasting my other point. So again I don't know why you are trying to argue "What is normal" frankly that depends on the eye of the beholder - Sure Akatosh is some dragon god, but it is still a dragon.

I know you guys are trying really hard to say it isn't. Cause you might not agree with having a experience to play as a dragon. That is perfectly fine

Actually people do and sorry you think everyone is you. I hope you get banned from the forums. Cause you have nothing to offer and if you have nothing nice to say keep it to yourself and you are ignored.

Glad to see someone see's this happening. Well I only hope it happens soon enough or some other way.

I also hope none of the races established in the elder scrolls game get removed as some people don't seem to care about the other races or are avoiding my questions and main points regarding "Why have any of the other races. Why not just have humans only?"

Never trust a dov.

If anyone gets the ban hammer its you, you can't just send nasty, cursing and threatening messages to people you happen to disagree with. You've been reported, I'll be forwarding your lil message to a moderator.

You carry yourself like a 12yr old little brat with a superiority complex.

Having dragons a playable race is a terrible idea and you shouldnt be designing games if you think they could do that with an elder scrolls game. What could you do as a dragon? fly around and kill things. You cant really talk to people because they will all run or try and kill you, you cant buy things, cant wear armour or use weapons, cant go into buildings or dungeons etc. The point of an elder scrolls game is do whatever you like, how you want to do it, go anywhere you want and a dragon has so many limitations

I'm calling your bluff, and troll. To also point out, I did not say "you just said Dragon"....

But to further the debate; Akatosh is a God, but he assumes a Dragon avatar, hence the term "Dragonblood of the Septims". It's his chosen form and the Dragons of Skyrim are made after him, so they are the same in a way - disregarding the fact that Martin joined with a God, and the Skyrim Dragons (as well as those of Akavir) are not Gods. What I am getting from your argument is you wish, essentially, for us all to be able to play as Gods - or, to a lesser extent, their chosen form.

This so did not go well. OP, you will have to accept that your opinion is your own and not shared by many people here. Please do not make further threads at this time.