Lesser known facts about Skyrim : V - Skyrim

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:22 am

Hagravens are witches transformed into a half woman, half bird, half witch thing.

Briarhearts are forsworn who have replaced their heart with a briar in a magical ritual. You can pickpocket their new briarheart, it makes em go dead.

To poster above: Orsimer are elves.
The word mer means elf.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:47 am

You are wrong about Orcs being elves, they are Mer, basically Orcs, Dwarves and Elves are all Mer but to say Orcs are Elves I believe is incorrect. That would be like saying Argonian and Kahjiit are cousins. While they both are classified as beasts in the lore of Skyrim they are definitely not physically connected.

As such for the Mer while both Orcs and Dwarves are listed in that category under said classification they are listed as Orsimer, or Pariah Folk for Orcs and the Dwarves, or Deep Folk are the Dwarves. The Dwarves are derived from the Elves but the Orcs where created via the Deadric Prince Boethiah. In fact the Aldmer had already colonized the area around High Rock before the Orcs appeared.

Mer mens Elf

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:55 am

But the ones in Skyrim have two wings and two legs.

Dragon wings are limbs, just like those of birds and bats. So dragons have four limbs.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:42 am

4. There are technically no Dragons in this game, Dragons have 4 legs and 2 wings, while Wyverns have 2 legs and 2 wings (Like in Skyrim). Wyverns are a subspecies of dragon which normally has has four limbs. The wyvern has wings instead of arms, much like a bird or a pterosaur and also Wyverns have also been known for their body length, which is unusually longer than a dragon's.

If that's a dragon, then what would you call Shenron? Are you gunna tell the Dragon God that he isn't a dragon because he has no wings?

http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/508/Shenron.jpg

The Dwarves are derived from the Elves but the Orcs where created via the Deadric Prince Boethiah. In fact the Aldmer had already colonized the area around High Rock before the Orcs appeared.

"Although beast-like in appearance, the Orsimer (Pariah Folk or simply Orcs) are descended from a group of Altmer (or even Aldmer) that worshipped a god named Trinimac.[24]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Races_of_The_Elder_Scrolls#Orsimer

My argument is that after this transformation they no longer belonged to the Elvish family, Yes the Orsimer were elves but Orcs are definitely not.

If that is true then the Dunmer aren't elves either because they were cursed too.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:23 pm

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1-2-3 duh

4 no, Dragons are Dragons in TES.

5 there is no "or" dwarves, they don't call themselves dwarves, ignorant individuals in Tamriel call them Dwarves. they are called Dwemer, period. no the Giants weren't like the ones in Skyrim because those Giants went extinct.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:35 pm

i smell a troll...

Why? Do you live in a cave?

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:16 am

You are wrong about Orcs being elves, they are Mer, basically Orcs, Dwarves and Elves are all Mer but to say Orcs are Elves I believe is incorrect. That would be like saying Argonian and Kahjiit are cousins. While they both are classified as beasts in the lore of Skyrim they are definitely not physically connected.

As such for the Mer while both Orcs and Dwarves are listed in that category under said classification they are listed as Orsimer, or Pariah Folk for Orcs and the Dwarves, or Deep Folk are the Dwarves. The Dwarves are derived from the Elves but the Orcs where created via the Deadric Prince Boethiah. In fact the Aldmer had already colonized the area around High Rock before the Orcs appeared.

My argument is that after this transformation they no longer belonged to the Elvish family, Yes the Orsimer were elves but Orcs are definitely not.

Regardless of how twisted Orsimer may be compared to the other Mer, they are still Elvish in the ES world. Otherwise they would not be refered to as Mer. Same goes for Falmer, even though now they appear to be more "Goblin" than anything else, they are still Mer.

In regards to some of the comments about Dragons being made, Dragons have so many iterations in literature and art you cannot really call one definitive.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:07 pm

If that's a dragon, then what would you call Shenron? Are you gunna tell the Dragon God that he isn't a dragon because he has no wings?

http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/508/Shenron.jpg

"Although beast-like in appearance, the Orsimer (Pariah Folk or simply Orcs) are descended from a group of Altmer (or even Aldmer) that worshipped a god named Trinimac.[24]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Races_of_The_Elder_Scrolls#Orsimer

If that is true then the Dunmer aren't elves either because they were cursed too.

One race was cursed the other (orcs) described as "transformed" to me the two are distinctively different. At this point though we are seriously deep into the epistemology of a fictional game's mythology which makes all of this totally pointless, but fun :foodndrink:

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:56 pm

5 there is no "or" dwarves, they don't call themselves dwarves, ignorant individuals in Tamriel call them Dwarves. they are called Dwemer, period. no the Giants weren't like the ones in Skyrim because those Giants went extinct.

...along with the Dwemer.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:17 am

6. Orcs are usually green, yet some of them are grey-ish.
7. There are some bugs in the game.
8. Insects in a jar have a neo masonic message writen below.
9. While Oblivion was TES IV and had "IV" written in the name (Check: Obl"IV"ion), Skyrim has no "V", which stands for five in latin.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:59 pm

...along with the Dwemer.

yes unfortunately.

Dragons do not fly completely by Wings, they use Magic.

Orcs lived in Skyrim before Nords.

Forsworn are a splinter of Bretons.

Draugr are the worshippers of Dragon priests and Dragons.. they have a small sliver of eternal life energy and donate it to the Dragon priest effectively making him immortal, when they go back to rest the energy is replenished.

the Crypts you enter are not really crypts, they are living spaces and the draugr that were there did not end up their Dead.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:07 am

OP is less interesting than the directions to winterhold.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:27 pm

yes unfortunately.

Dragons do not fly completely by Wings, they use Magic.

Orcs lived in Skyrim before Nords.

Forsworn are a splinter of Bretons.

Draugr are the worshippers of Dragon priests and Dragons.. they have a small sliver of eternal life energy and donate it to the Dragon priest effectively making him immortal, when they go back to rest the energy is replenished.

the Crypts you enter are not really crypts, they are living spaces and the draugr that were there did not end up their Dead.

This is going in my topic post.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:27 pm

A Elbereth Gilthoniel
o menel palan-díriel,
le nallon sí di'-nguruthos!
A tíro nin, Fanuilos!

...the glass blazed suddenly like a white torch in his hand. It flamed like a star that leaping from the firmament sears the dark air with intolerable light. No such terror out of heaven had ever burned in Shelob's face before. The beams of it entered into her wounded head and scored it with unbearable pain, and the dreadful infection of light spread from eye to eye. She fell back beating the air with her forelegs, her sight blasted by inner lightnings, her mind in agony. Then she turned her maimed head away, she rolled aside and began to crawl, claw by claw, toward the opening in the dark cliff behind.

There's some lore for you.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:31 pm

You are wrong about Orcs being elves, they are Mer, basically Orcs, Dwarves and Elves are all Mer but to say Orcs are Elves I believe is incorrect. That would be like saying Argonian and Kahjiit are cousins. While they both are classified as beasts in the lore of Skyrim they are definitely not physically connected.

As such for the Mer while both Orcs and Dwarves are listed in that category under said classification they are listed as Orsimer, or Pariah Folk for Orcs and the Dwarves, or Deep Folk are the Dwarves. The Dwarves are derived from the Elves but the Orcs where created via the Deadric Prince Boethiah. In fact the Aldmer had already colonized the area around High Rock before the Orcs appeared.

My argument is that after this transformation they no longer belonged to the Elvish family, Yes the Orsimer were elves but Orcs are definitely not.

Tosh,

just because they were cursed in feature does not remove them from the species, much like the Chimer did not stop being elves after Azura cursed them

There is even a quest supporting the position that Orcs are still mer/elves (difference anyone?), Discerning the Transmundane for Hermaeus Mora

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:20 am

4. There are technically no Dragons in this game, Dragons have 4 legs and 2 wings, while Wyverns have 2 legs and 2 wings (Like in Skyrim). Wyverns are a subspecies of dragon which normally has has four limbs. The wyvern has wings instead of arms, much like a bird or a pterosaur and also Wyverns have also been known for their body length, which is unusually longer than a dragon's.

You do know that neither dragons nor wyverns exist and that categorization is purely fiction, right? Any writer who wants to say that dragons have two hindlegs and two forelimbs with wings attached can do so.

Also, these are fairly common knowledge.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:27 pm

Question:
How come Dwarves can be redefined in TES but dragons cannot?

Great big lizard that breathers fire = dragon

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:22 pm

Question:
How come Dwarves can be redefined in TES but dragons cannot?

Great big lizard that breathers fire = dragon

So, a Giant Argonian with Fire Breath Shout is a Dragon? Wait... Maybe. :tongue:

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:22 pm

So, a Giant Argonian with Fire Breath Shout is a Dragon? Wait... Maybe. :tongue:

... great big flying lizard that breathes fire?

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:41 am

I would think these facts would be obvious, then I read a bunch of threads where people have no clue about this stuff, and I realize that threads like this are necessary. So it's a good thread.

My piece of lore. All humans on Tamriel are descended from the group of Nords who took Skyrim from the snow elves a very long time ago.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:22 pm

Pathetic humans are so arrogant to deem they even know what a dragon is. There are different species which all look different yet share many similarities. It's no wonder they left - having to deal with disgusting little parasites would make me leave as well...

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:55 pm

Dragon wings are limbs, just like those of birds and bats. So dragons have four limbs.

And a wee tail = 5

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:04 pm

...
4. There are technically no Dragons in this game, Dragons have 4 legs and 2 wings, while Wyverns have 2 legs and 2 wings (Like in Skyrim). Wyverns are a subspecies of dragon which normally has has four limbs. The wyvern has wings instead of arms, much like a bird or a pterosaur and also Wyverns have also been known for their body length, which is unusually longer than a dragon's. ...

Wyvern are not exactly what you depict. Wyverns have two wings, two legs (forelegs) and a barbed tail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyvern. It's a wyvern that Saint Georges is killing in this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Stgeorge-dragon.jpg.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:48 am

Wyvern are not exactly what you depict. Wyverns have two wings, two legs (forelegs) and a barbed tail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyvern. It's a wyvern that Saint Georges is killing of this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Stgeorge-dragon.jpg.

Definitions and entire fantasy animals are subject to change at the whims of the person talking about it, lol. :wink_smile:

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:36 am

I would think these facts would be obvious, then I read a bunch of threads where people have no clue about this stuff, and I realize that threads like this are necessary. So it's a good thread.

My piece of lore. All humans on Tamriel are descended from the group of Nords who took Skyrim from the snow elves a very long time ago.

All except the Redguard, who came from Yokuda.

They had destroyed their homeland in an arms race. Crafting ever better weaponry until they had swords that could cleave the atomos.