This is a HORRIBLE lore mess-up that must be corrected IMMEDIATELY!

I am not in beta but I had feared that this was the case and today it was confirmed for me.

In ESO Mournhold is treated as the Capitol City of Morrowind. This could not be further from the truth!!!

Mournhold is a TEMPLE DISTRICT at the HEART of the city of ALMALEXIA, which is the largest and oldest city in Morrowind and the true capitol (and his been for well before the interregnum).

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tribunal:Mournhold

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Almalexia_(city)

I cannot stress enough how bad this is and it makes me wonder what other major screw-ups are present in ESO.

How to solve? I suppose they could call the tiny little town they built to be Mournhold and call it Almalexia but the place is not NEARLY large enough to justify the name.

How on EARTH was this missed!? It boggles my mind...I am simply astonished at this.

That's interesting. I didn't even realize Almalexia had a city named after her. I always thought Mournhold was the city. I guess from playing Morrowind and all of her hands saying "Mournhold, City of Light, City of Magic!"

Seriously. Stop. You have no idea what you are talking about.

It is a common misconception that is totally fine for any fan to have but not the people MAKING THE BLOODY GAME!

You know damn well I can't do that, and neither should your friend. What a waste of a beta key.

A: Check my edit, and B: I don't have a beta key.

Capitol, You have to remember ESO takes place in a time BEFORE TES games, So In this period of no events recorded.. THIS could have been the case then, and added into lore as later moved or changed for whatever reason. In Our world history it isnt uncommon for capital cities to be different from what we know today.

I don't care if you do or not, this thread is inappropriate for this forum and you should know better as a regular poster.

Whoever showed you anything is wrong, and you're wrong.

I understand that, but Mournhold is in the same place it has always been and "Almalexia is a truly ancient city, possibly predating the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dunmer themselves, and contains the city of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mournhold. It is rumored to be built over the ruins of a vast http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer city, although there are no ruins visible on the surface."

So your friend leaked Beta Info to you so now you think its ok to talk about it?

Doesn't matter if you're in the beta or not, doesn't means its ok to talk about stuff thats currently under NDA.

Not saying that's what happened, but the fact is this must be addressed. Fine by me if the thread is locked by I implore any lore-conscious people who are in the beta to investigate this and report it to the devs if my fears are in fact still correct.

Maybe in the upcoming months we'll learn more of the game through the dev questions and interviews, they really have yet to do a big LORE q&a so it might be clarified, I think everything has a place and a reason.. all we can do now is watch and wait

It seems pretty legit to me. It's a city within the a city. Of which is the home of the king. I think that constitutes it being the capitol.

It is before TES games, but that does not mean it isn't bound to the Lore. Almalexia came to power with the rest of the Tribunal in the First Era (if memory serves right), and presumably had their cities built and named after them. Vivec, Almalexia, which contains Mournhold and the hidden Sotha Sil or Clockwork City. ESO takes place in the Second Era. There are no sources I'm aware of that mention when the city was named Almalexia, so who really knows?

You're basically flipping out over something you don't even know for sure. I don't know what was shown to you, but I'm telling you its wrong.

You are right, of course, it is making me twitch to think no one in the beta even realizes this. Even if they do and they report it, though, it seems like a crazy-huge problem to even attempt to fix. They would have to totally rework a major area of the EP starting zone.

@Pang and Carde, I know you guys for some reason defend everything Zenimax does no matter what but if you guys say this information is wrong I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I am pretty sure, Carde you are in beta, not sure about you Pang but if either of you say this information is incorrect and in ESO Almalexia is present as a major metropolis surrounding Mournhold as its central district then that's all well and good.

Sorry if I seemed to freak out it was just a major shock that something could be so very wrong.

lol wtf. So lets get this straight. Not only do you make a thread talking about information leaked from the Beta, now you're asking for others to break their NDA just to satisfy a concern? Thats pretty messed up.

Nope, just saying, if Carde (or you) says it's wrong and he's in beta (saying you're in beta does not break NDA) then that's enough for me to relax and wait-to-see at least.

I also never said any information was leaked from the beta, that is just what you guys inferred.

Oh please. From UESP:

"Mournhold, "the city of light and magic", is a Temple city inside the capital of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Morrowind, and the heart of this larger city, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Almalexia_%28city%29, named after the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tribunal:Almalexia."

That refers to Mournhold as a city TWICE.

Completely leaving aside the NDA issue (which is legit) and the historical issue, the very sources you link refer to Mournhold as a city, not a district.

You seem to think that the word "city" has a meaning that is much more restrictive than it really is in everyday English usage... have you ever heard of "the City", a PART of the city of London, where the financial district is? See the Collins definition here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/city?s=t , "the area in central London in which the United Kingdom's major financial business is transacted". That's right... something is referred to as a city which is *gasp* part of another city. For historical reasons. Similar usages of the word "City" occur all over the world.

Relax Words have multiple and flexible meanings and those meanings change over time. That's the nature of natural language, it's not a software bug And, even if that were NOT the case, which it is... saying "nothing could be further from the truth", when at the very worst all it could be is a case of metonymy ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metonymy?s=t ) is a massive overreaction

False.

Well you did sort of imply it. Since there hasn't been any official announcements or anything regarding Mournhold, and you said you were "shown" some stuff.

If assurance was all you needed, there were better ways of approaching it. I don't doubt that this a pretty important matter, but freaking out before you've been able to find out yourself seems a little rash.

Yuck I don't know how you guys duck and weave in-between technicalities of the NDA, I could never do that if I ever got in [cue really long pause].

Shhhheeeee. I ain't saying nothin'. All I said was its wrong. We don't know anything for sure either way, and anyone who does know shouldn't be saying anything about it.

Maybe today has just been a really grating experience all around with the facebook posts and this place lighting up in locked threads. Even ZOS is getting fed up with the blatant disregard for the NDA, they keep TRYING to tell people to stop on the facebook, but its just having no effect at all.

And before anyone goes and tries to accuse me of white knighting for them, think of it logically: If they get pissed off enough that everyone craps all over their NDA, they'll probably just decide they have enough testers and stop sending out new invites altogether because its not worth the leaks.

On your last point first, did they change that recently?

And yes they use the word city, but what I am saying is that whatever you want to call it, Mournhold is only the central district of a larger city called Almalexia. Sure Hollywood is a "city" in the "city of Los Angeles" but the rest of Los Angeles still exists around it. The semantics make no difference.

Mournhold is considered its own city (heck, just looking at the map will tell you that) and a temple city though it may be, it is still a city, though yes, you are correct in that Almalexia is technically the capitol of Morrowind, but as Mournhold is a sub-city of sorts, this can probably also easily be considered at least a PART of the capitol city and therefore, the lore is not entirely broken.

... But your point had to do with nothing EXCEPT semantics :/ You named a category ("city") and asserted that Mournhold was not a member of that category. Failing to take into account the complex nature of categories in human cognition

As for Hollywood, it isn't a city. West Hollywood is, but technically it is not IN the City of Los Angeles, even though it's surrounded by it... never mind, it's complicated and anyway, your remark about Hollywood illustrates my point perfectly The word "city" is used in different ways in different contexts and at different times.