Meh.

I may have been wrong, I guess I was, in this instance, but I never underestimate the stupidity of man.

I wasn't sure if you understood what I was saying or not, I guess the intent of your "way out" was lost without the inflections of being audibly voiced.

95% of arguments against change on these forums are either this or "NO"

Reductio ad absurdum isn't necessarily a fallacious argument.

Nobody likes my idea :cryvaultboy:

Shhhh

I do not mind a crafting system as long as people who like to adventure, myself included, can do so and receive equivalent gear.... I would hate to run around slaying crap and find out that wasting hours dikeing around with a side skill would get me exclusive gear. Just like how the leveling system in oblivion was not made for people who like to do adventure and so I got bored and never finished it or even attempted the add-on content.

yeah! making our own armor would be awsome, and at high levels we should be able to make the best non artifact armor.

Okay listen... All these comments saying "oh its unrealistic" is just, well i dont meaning to be rude, stupid... since when is magicka realistic... or being an argonian or just about anything in the TES series... If you want to play a realistic game then the TES series isnt for you...

Realism can still be very important in settings with unrealistic elements. Within the setting of Elder Scrolls, things like magic fireballs, animated skeletons walking without muscles, and demons from another dimension make perfect sense, within the setting. But making a full set of ornate ebony armor is almost certainly something that only a master smith who has devoted a lifetime to his craft can do, so having an adventurer who has some practice repairing leather suits making this suit of armor doesn't make sense within the setting.

You can't just brush off everything that doesn't make sense and say "oh it's a fantasy game"

I would be okay with making my own armor, but even if they don't let us make armor they should at least have raw materials so we could have someone do it for us. And not just two types like in Oblivion.

But why does everything have to make sense? Just as how becoming a master in destruction could take like a week played nonstop but in the game their are mages that took there entire lives to learn everything that you mastered in a week... thats unrealistic

Some of the things you have said in this topic just made me want to face palm myself every time I read your posts. Something you should know alchemy does exist if you don't believe me click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy it's not exactly the same thing as in TES but it exists. Another thing is you can brush off everything that doesn't make sense because it's a game and another thing is that it's a fantasy game.

P.S- I believe forumers like you exist to piss people like me off.

I'm against it. I would agree on crafting to maybe create cheap arrows and create a bo out of wood etc, as it requires pretty much stuff you can carry. But smithing isn't something you do wherever, it's more of a profession. I'd even like to see armorer refined so although you can fix it, you can only get it back to a certain degree. You can sharpen your sword after a battle, but it won't become mint condition until you actually visit a smith capable of working with that specific material.

Of course alchemy exist in the real world. It's called pharmaceutical - making medicines

Already done: http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&q=tribunal+smith&l=1
I would like to be able to make basic things on my own though.

o man I want fishing too

maybe you have a chance to fish out old chests or epic boots or something (boots of blinding speed that were blown into the sea when morrowind went bye bye)

I honestly don't like it. I am always pro adding a more realistic and immersive skill so it isn't just 'clink' it worked, your weapon is fixed some points; or 'clank' didn't work, you svck. But smithing your own weapons? No.... I don't like it, leave it to the professionals.

Well then I guess you could also say "magic exists" and "ghosts exist"

No, you can't brush off things like that, it's called internal consistency and its important for any good story.

Being able to do things like this in Skyrim would be alright but if they do add skills like this in they could atleast make it you leave the master equipment to the proffesionals to keep a bit of realism.

Yes the win is strong with this one!

It could be like fallout new vegas with workbenches and reloading benches. But with an anvil or forge. You have a bunch of recipes for iron ingots... w/e and then as you level up you get new recipes?

and btw fallout new vegas is not worth 60 dollars imo. lol It was buggy as heeeeellllllllllllll My xbox froze like 5 times on it in 3 days.

I would LOVE to be able to build your own Armor and Weapon. Maybe there are "forms" that dictate the shape of the armor, but the attributes, color, etc. depends on the type of elements and precious stones you mix together...plus the ability to create dyes from different plants.

Also, in regards to what some people have said.

I love a game that keeps the story moving forward, but i also like to get lost in games like this... and sort of have in front of me a virtual world that my character can play inside of it from buying property, to owning shows with workers, and different types of social companions from friends, to soldiers, to love interest.

The key here is to let us choose how we want it to play. i love oblivion but I'm loving it even more with the mods that add a bit more to the world.

of course, but in dark messiah it was a small example of what was "possible" to make , it was simple but fun so I don't see why they deny us this in an ES game.