Miraak: where is he REALLY from?

Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:12 pm

This is something I've been wondering, and no doubt there's already an answer (and no doubt some people will harp on me for not read the multiple pages looking for the answer), but I'm still curious and I will still ask: where is Miraak really from?

He says he's the First Dragonborn... Yet.... I thought the original dragonborn came from Akavari with the original Blades? I know that the Dragon Priests came from Atmora, so that still leaves an interesting unanswered question...

Makes ya think a little...
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:37 am

He was a dragon priest so...ancient nord?
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:02 pm

Which would've been Atmora, and I thought so too, but the Dragonborns originally came from Akaviri, so that's why I'm confused!
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:10 am

The first dragonborn was Saint Alessia. However, Alessia didn't have the inborn ability to Shout and couldn't absorb the soul of a dragon.
Miraak is the first Dragonborn in the sense, that he's the first Dragonborn like us.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:33 am

The first dragonborn was Saint Alessia. However, Alessia didn't have the inborn ability to Shout and couldn't absorb the soul of a dragon.
Miraak is the first Dragonborn in the sense, that he's the first Dragonborn like us.

I thought the Dragonborn where around since before Alessia?

And as you said, she's only dragonborn in the sense of being bound with dragon blood via Akatosh, but she wasn't BORN into it like the game has it set up. Which is what I was refering to, the "first" to have absorbed the dragon souls.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:19 pm

Then I would say the history books need to be re written.

At the time of Miraak Humans for the most part were enslaved by dragons. So maybe because he became a real threat to the dragons ( as in force they were the ones that destoyed him and his temple). That the dragons pursued a course to destoy all knowledge of Miraak, Cause he turned on the dragons knowing he could attain there power from being able to absorb there souls .

With the help Of Hermaeus Mora was able to return to regain and exceed his former self and power.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:45 am

So he was humanoid, not Akaviri... Interesting... Means most likely Atmoran... I'd be interested to see if Bethesda ever gets around to solving this conundrum for us!
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:46 am

I have now crazy (and Stupid) theory: What if Atmora and Akavir is that same place ! Nords cannot go back to Atmora becouse the whole continent have moved more to the south-east.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:24 pm

Since when were the first dragonborns from Akavir? I mean it would make sense.. but I see nothing referencing that.

Edit: He was most likely from Atmora.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:04 am

He is for 90% Atmoran eventually (10%) a Falmer, there is no logical sense to assume otherway.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:04 am

Since when were the first dragonborns from Akavir? I mean it would make sense.. but I see nothing referencing that.

Edit: He was most likely from Atmora.

If you talk to Dephine, she gives you a history of the Blades, and there's some books roaming around the game that talk about it too. It even says they originally came from Akaviri, and that they were the ultimate dragon hunters, having some in them that were dragonborn (at least, I thought she said some of the original Blades were dragonborn as well)
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:51 pm

He is for 90% Atmoran eventually (10%) a Falmer, there is no logical sense to assume otherway.

HEHE!!! Lol! Ah, but Falmer or Snow Elf?!?
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:16 pm

Snow Elf or Falmer it's only a semantic difference, especcialy in the time we're speaking of ;) I meant "Galebor looking, the very own Snow Elves of old".
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:33 am

This is true.....

.......

NO NO NO NO NO..... part Atmoran, part Almter, part Falmer, and part.... Dwemer...... (poor guy)

No wonder the dragons didn't like him, they couldn't figure out what he really was!
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:02 am

If you talk to Dephine, she gives you a history of the Blades, and there's some books roaming around the game that talk about it too. It even says they originally came from Akaviri, and that they were the ultimate dragon hunters, having some in them that were dragonborn (at least, I thought she said some of the original Blades were dragonborn as well)

The Blades =/= Dragonborn. The Akaviri came to Tamriel searching for the Dragonborn. They found it in Reman Cyrodiil, and then swore allegiance to him. If it was any sort of common thing within Akavir I don't think they would have made the trip. There may have been a couple Akaviri Dragonborns throughout history, maybe not. There is nothing stating that Akatosh first blessed the Akaviri with dovahsos.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:07 am

Here is the little history there is on Miraak. The first link is not the best of sources, while the second is pretty good.



Miraak History

During the period of time when http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon ruled over mortals, Miraak served as a dragon priest on the island of Solstheim. At some point before his death, he came into possession of a black book which in term lead to him in service of http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Hermaeus_Mora, the Daedric Lord of Knowledge and Fate, who taught him a http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Bend_Will. With this forbidden knowledge in his possession, Miraak turned on his dragon masters, using his power to devour their souls to become ever more powerful. According to http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Frea, because of his betrayal, the dragons sought him out at his http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Temple_of_Miraak on Solstheim and killed him for his treachery. After his death, he lived on in http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Apocrypha, the realm of Hermaeus Mora, until the time was right for his return.

Taken from http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Miraak



Miraak is the primary antagonist of the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:Dragonborn expansion for http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Skyrim, and rival to the player as the first http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dovahkiin.

He was a dragon priest originally, back when the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dragon ruled http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tamriel, but turned on them and went his own way. He later sought the teachings of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:Hermaeus_Mora, and became his champion. However, he eventually decided that the power he was granted by Hermaeus Mora was not enough, and he seeks to be free of him just as he sought to be free of the dragons. He is currently stuck in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:Apocrypha and can only return once he has gained sufficient power to free himself from Hermaeus Mora's service.

He is never seen physically outside of Apocrypha, except on the occasion that you kill a dragon during the main questline after your first encounter with him. This will continue to happen until he is killed, except for a particular few dragons which are necessary to progress. When Miraak steals a dragon soul from you, he appears to be semi-transparent, although you cannot interact with him at these points.

Taken from http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:Miraak_(NPC)


According to the second link Miraak was a Nord.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:55 am

The Blades =/= Dragonborn. The Akaviri came to Tamriel searching for the Dragonborn. They found it in Reman Cyrodiil, and then swore allegiance to him. If it was any sort of common thing within Akavir I don't think they would have made the trip. There may have been a couple Akaviri Dragonborns throughout history, maybe not. There is nothing stating that Akatosh first blessed the Akaviri with dovahsos.

However... What in common have both Atmora and Akavir ? Dragons and (now extinct) human population. Dragons ruled on Atmora and Tamriel, and were driven out from Akavir. Worth to note that Akaviri knew Alduin, so... he must have showed there atleast once. Now, what would make a whole bunch of dragons with their divine leader to fleed in terror ? Dragonborn ? Maybe, but just one wouldn't be a that serious threat to them (look at Miraak, the Dragons have dealt with him pretty well). So what caused them to leave ?

And yes, Miraak is for sure first Tamrielic Dragonborn.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:04 am

I really don't like the idea that he died and went to Apocrypha.. and can now come back. I subscribe to the other theory.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:26 pm

I don't think that he was killed, with that Black Books, it's pretty easy to escape. The body on Nirn was probably destroyed by Vahlok, but the one in Apocrypha remained.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:47 am

However... What in common have both Atmora and Akavir ? Dragons and (now extinct) human population. Dragons ruled on Atmora and Tamriel, and were driven out from Akavir. Worth to note that Akaviri knew Alduin, so... he must have showed there atleast once. Now, what would make a whole bunch of dragons with their divine leader to fleed in terror ? Dragonborn ? Maybe, but just one wouldn't be a that serious threat to them (look at Miraak, the Dragons have dealt with him pretty well). So what caused them to leave ?

And yes, Miraak is for sure first Tamrielic Dragonborn.

Perhaps. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if there were dragonborns within "dragon-land".. but we aren't given anything that says they originated there (and Beth completely contradicts that with Miraak). I wouldn't be shocked if there was some, but the dragons being driven out could simply mean by a normal, but effective Akaviri army. I mean, Jiub didn't have to be racerborn to get them to leave :P
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:10 pm

In-game, Miraak is a Nord NPC, and judging by the fact that he was a Dragon Priest, it makes sense for him to be an Atmoran/Nord.

Which would've been Atmora, and I thought so too, but the Dragons originally came from Akaviri, so that's why I'm confused!

Fixed
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:18 pm

Yes, yes... But for a Dragon being killed by a non-dragon(born) is not a big deal. No matter how effective Akaviri Army was, Alduin need only to show up to change the tides. Other possible couse might be... Tosh Rakka, but only if his "ascension" to dragonhood caused a dragon break, even so, I highly doubt that he could compare in power with Alduin - but this is my assumption.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:46 am

No dragonborn has ever come from Akavir; the reason the tsaesci came to Tamriel in the first place was to find a dragonborn, whom they found as Reman Cyrodiil. Miraak was a Nord who was born in either Atmora or Skyrim.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:58 pm

I wouldn't say it's not a big deal.. it just leaves open the option of being resurrected by Alduin one day. I don't think dragons like being hunted whether it's by a tiger person or a dragonborn.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:42 am

No dragonborn has ever come from Akavir; the reason the tsaesci came to Tamriel in the first place was to find a dragonborn, whom they found as Reman Cyrodiil. Miraak was a Nord who was born in either Atmora or Skyrim.

To find something you must be sure of it's existence. I highly doubt that Akaviri would went searching something on another continent without certainity of it existence. To look for DB, they must knew about it. It's safe to say that there was indeed many Akaviri Dragonborns in the past, but none of the time of Reman.
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