More mods editing lvl.lists => more CTDs? : V

» Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:14 am

I think I finally found a more or less stable load order after updating Skyrim to the latest version, but I still can't get rid of some random CTDs and freezes. I have the latest drivers (I've tried out many of the latest ones, so it's not a bug with the newest) for my ATI card, and my computer is not overheating. After removing quite a few mods which modified the leveled lists (Real Wildlife, Crafting 300, The Chronicles of Steel etc.), I noticed that these CTDs became less frequent. Still, I get them from time to time, probably about once every hour. Is this a known problem when using multiple mods of this type?
EDIT: I'm using the crash fixes for both the Sounds of Skyrim mods.

Active Mod Files:

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00  Skyrim.esm01  Update.esm02  3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm03  CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm04  LB_MuchAdoSnowElves.esm05  Imp's More Complex Needs.esm  [Version 0.24]06  JSwords.esm07  SoS - The Dungeons.esp  [Version 1.2]08  SoS - The Wilds.esp  [Version 1.1]09  My Music Plugin v3.esp0A  Chesko_Frostfall.esp0B  Realistic Lighting.esp0C  Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp0D  Weapons and Armor fixes.esp0E  Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp0F  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp10  83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp11  BellyachesNewDragonSpecies.esp12  Colored_Dragonscale_v1.esp13  Craftable and Placeable Havok-enabled Bedrolls .esp14  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp15  Dr_Bandolier.esp16  Dwemer Spectres.esp17  ExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp18  IngredientsOfTamriel.esp19  JK Crafting Breakdown.esp1A  LBInteriorDecorating.esp1B  UnlimitedBookshelves.esp1C  lt_better_horses.esp1D  more carriages.esp1E  Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp1F  SabreFurBag.esp20  SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp21  Barenziah.esp22  IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp23  Omegared99-Champion.esp24  Actualize Apparel.esp25  amuletsofthedivines.esp26  AshlandAmulets.esp27  BowOfShadows.esp28  Cloaks.esp29  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.1]2A  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 2.1]2B  DragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp2C  Dwemer Scouter.esp2D  ExtendedVanillaWeapons.esp2E  FaalSizaan.esp2F  hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp30  Insanity's Dragonbane.esp  [Version 1.0]31  Insanity's Dragon Katana.esp  [Version 1.0]32  Insanity's Empire Longswords.esp  [Version 1.0]33  Insanity's Goldbrand.esp  [Version 1.1]34  Insanity's Sorrow.esp  [Version 1.2]35  Insanity's Umbra Sword.esp  [Version ison]36  loners_sword.esp37  MaceofAevar.esp38  mlr.esp39  MoonAndStarRing.esp3A  NarquelionBow.esp3B  Nicoroshi Creations.esp  [Version 1.2]3C  nuadablade.esp3D  Orgnum'sDagger.esp3E  Space Wiking's Dwemer Exoskeleton.esp3F  Sword of the One Eyed Crow.esp40  tbmchrysamere.esp41  TwisterBow.esp42  3rdEraWeapMoS-lvlList.esp43  Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp44  Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp45  Kynesguard.esp46  LB_MuchAdoSnowElves_Quest.esp47  Radiance.esp48  RiversideLodge.esp  [Version 1.2.9]49  Whiterun Ferns.esp4A  SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp4B  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp4C  Better Dynamic Snow.esp4D  BetterQuestObjectives.esp4E  dD - Easy Lift Bodies and Objects.esp4F  NoResetZone.esp50  Soul Gems Glow When Full.esp51  IMCN - Overrides.esp52  Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp53  markrecall.esp54  Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp55  SMEssentialKills.esp56  SSAPBWK.esp57  Chesko_WearableLantern.esp58  DragonbornAscendant.esp59  sheogorath_shout.esp5A  DeadlySpellImpacts.esp5B  The Dance of Death.esp5C  effeminatenazeem.esp5D  Morrowloot.esp5E  3DNPC.esp5F  WATER.esp60  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:34 pm

I'm in the process of doing some minor playtesting/evaluating of a bunch of mods I'm considering using in my next game, and they include a mess or mods adding weapons and armors to the leveled lists. I'm pretty religious about using BOSS to establish load order and having WB build a bashed patch to ensure they all play nicely with each other, so I haven't had any problems.

One caveat to that, though: when I installed them all at once I was simply fortune them all and trying them on to weed out any items that were visually sub-par. I didn't do any extensive playtesting, like using them in combat, using them will moving to another world cell, fast-traveling, all the little things that make no sense to cause conflicts but might. As in "I think the Akaviri sixy-Time Ultra-Revealing Boob Plate Armor of Doom looks great, but when I fast-travel wearing it, my character shrinks to two feet tall, the guards all turn purple and ten dragons spawn! WTF?!" and that sort of unpleasant surprise.

But as I say, they all seem to load fine at once with no CTDs.

» Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:56 am

I find that script heavy and leveled list editing heavy mods in general will stress your system. I'm using Levelers Tower right now, and the Garden area of that place actually made my laptop get warmer. The fan for this laptop is a good one, so it certainly was not because my computer isn't that great. You have to be careful when using any mods that have tons of scripts or new additions to leveled lists.

Hopefully a good leveled list merger will come around for Skyrim. I prefer using separate programs for each thing that is a good idea to do when using mods. I haven't had too many issues mainly because I'm extremely careful about what I use.

I'm in the process of doing some minor playtesting/evaluating of a bunch of mods I'm considering using in my next game, and they include a mess or mods adding weapons and armors to the leveled lists. I'm pretty religious about using BOSS to establish load order and having WB build a bashed patch to ensure they all play nicely with each other, so I haven't had any problems.

One caveat to that, though: when I installed them all at once I was simply fortune them all and trying them on to weed out any items that were visually sub-par. I didn't do any extensive playtesting, like using them in combat, using them will moving to another world cell, fast-traveling, all the little things that make no sense to cause conflicts but might. As in "I think the Akaviri sixy-Time Ultra-Revealing Boob Plate Armor of Doom looks great, but when I fast-travel wearing it, my character shrinks to two feet tall, the guards all turn purple and ten dragons spawn! WTF?!" and that sort of unpleasant surprise.

But as I say, they all seem to load fine at once with no CTDs.

I remember that one time I ended up fighting bandits who had the skirt only fur armor on yet appeared pretty much in their loincloth. that was amazing and hilarious. I showed it to my mom, and she was laughing. Mod conflicts can yield amazing humor at time.