Who is the most powerful being in all of the Elderscrolls series? I saw the list that some guy made (who is he?) and it listed Talos, The Hoonding(?), Trinimac, Vivec, Leki, Reman, Auri-El, Wulfharth, Morihaus, and Pelinal. This list doesnt really make sense to me. Why is Talos on top? Wouldn't Akatosh/Auri-El be over him?

Sithis should be number 1. Then a mudcrab as number 2.

I can't see Talos up there, seeing how he used to be mortal.

I used to know (I think it's something to do with Talos having CHIM, though I'm proably wrong, damn my memory is bad tonight), but I do know that you missed out Vivec at #4.

That would be the Godhead that dreams of the 'is' and the 'is not'. The something and the void where, at their meeting, nirn resides.
It is a little metaphysical story told in the 36 lessons of Vivec, explaining his powers.

Now, if you mean being that actually reside within the elder scrolls general timeline... thats more debatable. Individual power depends greatly on where you are. The daedric lords are the most powerful in their realms, and the Aedra seem to hold the most power in Nirn.

EDIT: Basically, Vivec's power was CHIM. Or the awakening of yourself as part of the godhead's dream. Most would fail to survive said awakening upon the realization that they are nothing more than a dream. And with the power of control over the dream's reality, you make yourself nothing.
Google it some time, if your the scholarly type, and into the more philosophical side of TES lore, its interesting.

As stated, Talos supposedly had achieved CHIM (some believe) explaining how Cyrodiil went from vast jungles to a sparsely forested region. Also partly explains him being able to mantle Lorkham ((well, it was suggested at) Lorkham is the previous god of man). If the god's power is, at least in some part, derived by the amount of faith put into them, then talos could be extremely strong, but with the white-gold concordat, he could be weakening, which could make a rather interesting premise for something in the elder scrolls. A man-god returning to Nirn.

Yea you're right. Fixed.

Why would Thalmor want Tiber Septim to come back to Nirn? I guess it would make him the last Septim seeing how Titus Mede seems to be ruling the Empire.

Very interesting, but wasn't Vivec killed after Lorkhans heart was destroyed? Why does he belong on this list? When he was immortal I could see it but now...

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg708/scaled.php?server=708&filename=1275549786943.png&res=landing For real I'm going with Jyggalag and Alduin. The other Daedric Princes feared their power. But I think Alduin is more powerful because Jyggalag is also a Daedric Prince. Also I really don't know anything about the Nines and the others.

Vivec ????? Daedric princes > Dovakiin >Alduin > Daedric princes > Divath Fyr??

I dont think Dovahkiin qualifies. He's powerful as a mortal.

Depending on yourinterpretations of the events after Morrowind (some people will say that he flat-out died after Morrowind, and thus lore afterwards about him is invalid to them, that's yours to agree with, which I'm fine with), Vivec attained CHIM, which Khalk posted a very rough outline of what that is above.

He's one of the after-Morrowind sources that agree with the CHIM theory - http://www.imperial-library.info/content/trial-vivec (It's a fun read anyway).

The reason he is less-than active, or as rumour put it "Disappeared" after the trial is that those with CHIM recognise that:

- They are everything
- Therefore everything is me
- I love me, and therefore everything
- I therefore accept me and everything as it it
- If I love everything and accept everything, and therefore me as it is, why should I change it?


The Dovahkiin completing the Civil war is well on his way to mantling, and therefore becoming Talos, even a ghost mistakes you for Hjalti (Tiber Septim). Though I agree, as he is right now, he defeated a very watered-down Alduin, so he's not really that powerful yet. Alduin can literally do anything he pleases with spirits once he's at his full power, he created Dagon afterall.

Same here. To me the Dovahkiin would be on the same level as the Grey Beards like Arngeir. Hell I think the Nerevarine is more powerful than the Dovahkiin. Also where would Dagoth Ur and Almalexia be at on the power list?

I'd like to say Vivec, but I know I'd be proven wrong.
Vivec, in my belief, is the most powerful in the respect that he is the most realised character. His mind is more powerful than force or ability. He thinks, he imagines, he realises, he knows. That is the real power.
However, Sithis definatley up there. Sithis does not exist in actuality, yet exists in belief of those in power. With the combined belief of him, he can be the most powerful entity ever, or atleast in the eyes of his followers. He causes the insentive of death. Nothing more.

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This should go in the Elder Scolls Series Discussion: http://www.gamesas.com/forum/26-the-elder-scrolls-series-discussion/

I would say Daedric Princes.

#1: Mudcrabs

Those are by far the most dangerous creatures in Nurn.

Anyone who got rid of the that demon spawn known as Cliff Racers. Is a god among gods.

Fixed. That guy was awesome.

I truely hope he's the new Patron saint of whatever the Dunmer worship now, he deserves it for getting rid of the true blight in Morrowind, not those weak lepers the Nerevarine was fussing about with.

I wouldn't give it to any of the tribunal. They got their power from the heart... same as Dagoth but Dagoth had access a whole lot longer and made lots of followers more powerful with it as well. So by that logic Dagoth>Vivec> other Tribunals. And the Nerevarine killed Dagoth......

I would say of the characters in the last 3 games. CoC>Nerevarine>Dragonborn. CoC becomes a god and defeats one... two if you took out Dagon yourself(like I did) before Martin had the chance. Nerevarine is a demi-god and killed multiple other demi-gods. Dragonborn kills a few dragons, and none of them Alduin included seem as epic as Dagon.

Top power. Gods & Deadric Princes(included CoC).

I don't think the Tribunal or the Nerevarine or Dragonborn have a place on that list.

Most powerful being? Now thats a good question.
It would have to be a toss up between; Lorkhan, Akatosh, Almalexia, Nerevarine, Any given Daedric Prince.

At least thats my opinion. We know akatosh is supposed to be the most power divine, Lorkhan was supposed to be even above that in a sense. We also know that the tribunal (Almalexia, Vivec and Sotha Sil) had the power to turn their backs on azura and she could do nothing about it besides curse the Chimer/dunmer race (which the tribunal used to their advantage and said it was them who actually gave the gift to the race), And the Nerevarine was able to kill said gods, and all the daedric princes cant be killed, only banished. (but obviously have limited power because as i said, the tribunal mocked azura and it took her over a thousand years to get revenge, and technically it wasnt even her who got the revenge it was the nerevarine - Remember the 20 other previous nerevarines you meet? Most of em killed by the tribunal, just showing azura isnt as all powerful as she makes herself out to be)

Techinically you didnt take out mehrunes dagon before martin. Assuming you're talking about wabbajacking dagon, it does take him out momentarily, but he still busts through the temple after and martin still has to sacrifice himself.

Also i agree that the daedra gods are up on the list, but i dont consider the CoC as part of that. As far as im concerned the CoC loses his identity slowly as the daedra personality (that existed before the CoC and can never be destroyed) takes over his/her personality. Which is why in skyrim sheogorath has the same accent, same clothes and looks the same. Sure the CoC could have been an argonian, but sheogorath now is definitally not an argonian, meaning that the CoC's identity was lost (meaning pretty much that he died when he became sheogorath). Again, that is just my opinion, but its the way i always imagined how it worked out.

I would say the most powerful being could possibly be Magnus, but before creation, it could have been any one of the Aedra. Magnus decided to not participate in creation, so he left. His impact is still felt today, as he is the cause of the sun, which is actually a hole that leads to Aetherius I think and it seeps out magicka. I was hoping there would have been more info on the Eye of Magnus and the Staff of Magnus since that guy does intrigue me.

It would probably go under the Elder Scrolls Lore forum.


Wouldn't Akatosh be one of the most powerful of beings in all of Nirn considering he can depict himself as whatever he so chooses? Seems like Akatosh would take that award.