In some cases game mechanics are unrealistic--maps have boundaries, and tanks are clearly too heavy to flip, yet the Master Chief would flip them anyways if they get turned over somehow (which they shouldn't unless the player tries really hard). However, judging by what makes sense, Spartans would still win.

In terms of weapons, let's just compare the human projectile weapons rather than Beam Rifles and whatnot. If we look at the rifles, the strongest non-sniper rifle in Crysis 2 is the Grendel, which shoots hollow-point bullets. It's been stated multiple times that only armor-piercing and high-explosive rounds do noticeable damage to shields. In the case of AP rounds, individual bullets do very little damage. Antipersonnel rounds are near-useless against shields, but let's just say that the Grendel's as powerful as an MA5B from Halo, which shoots AP rounds but suffers from a lack of spring strength. Anyone who's played Halo would know that the BR55 (which fires large-caliber rounds that don't even exist yet in rifles) and the DMR (which fires the same caliber of bullets as the MA5 assault rifles, but at a much higher velocity) would beat the Grendel at any range. And the SCAR won't do much damage due to its small bullets--it would be no more damaging than an M7 SMG.

The Gauss Rifle would pose a threat to the Master Chief, but the Chief's sniper rifle fires an extremely massive round that's gas-powered and fin-stabilized for pinpoint accuracy. So they might be equal in power. The DSG-1, on the other hand, would not be able to take the Chief down quickly.

In close quarters, the Chief has his M90 shotgun, which is 8-gauge. 26th-century technology has made such large shells feasible. By contrast, Alcatraz doesn't have anything more powerful than the Marshall, which is only 12-gauge. It probably won't even beat the Brute Mauler head to head.

The only time Alcatraz can do much is when he has a JAW. Assuming it's as powerful as the Chief's M19 SSM Rocket Launcher (which it isn't), Master Chief still has a slight advantage due to his shields and armor, which are stronger than the Nanosuit's armor mode. However, we've seen the Chief's rocket launcher take down light aircraft in 1 shot. The JAW takes more than 1 to down a helicopter and lots more to destroy a Ceph gunship--which the Chief could probably take down within 2 hits.

For the reasons above, Spartans would beat Nanosuits in a fight. This isn't to say that Nanosuits svck though--its stealth and anti-cloak capabilities are better than the MJOLNIR's. However, this isn't enough to turn the tables, simply due to the fact that Nanosuits lose in nearly every other category. Like I said multiple times before, the only reason Spartans are able to beat the Nanosuits is because of the 500-year difference in technology.

IThe only time Alcatraz can do much is when he has a JAW. Assuming it's as powerful as the Chief's M19 SSM Rocket Launcher (which it isn't), Master Chief still has a slight advantage due to his shields and armor, which are stronger than the Nanosuit's armor mode. However, we've seen the Chief's rocket launcher take down light aircraft in 1 shot. The JAW takes more than 1 to down a helicopter and lots more to destroy a Ceph gunship--which the Chief could probably take down within 2 hits.
There's also the advantage of the SSM Launcher holding two rockets, while the JAW can only fire one rocket before you have to dispose it and ready another one.

Watch the beginning of Crysis 1...

Watch the beginning of Crysis 1...
That wasn't from orbit. And Nomad landed in water.

Armor mode in Crysis 1 is even less durable, if anything.

Drop em both from upper atmosphere. Whoever survives is the winner. Endurance, resilience, healing capabilities etc.
FAIL.

MC surving that was cutscene power to the max. You can be killed by significantly inferior damage in actual play.

ACtual play is designed to make it more interesting and challenging for you. It usually is not "true" according to the story.

Example. You think there is such a thing as an "active reload"... no there isn't.

You think a spartan dies from 5 stories drop?... no is just ment to balance gameplay.

You think The N2 has to take a couple of seconds to rip out a mounted machine gun from its tripod as done in gameplay? no. According to the lore its no harder than lifting a box. N2 doesn't have to hazzle a couple of times trying to rip the MG from its nest.

Drop em both from upper atmosphere. Whoever survives is the winner. Endurance, resilience, healing capabilities etc.
FAIL.

MC surving that was cutscene power to the max. You can be killed by significantly inferior damage in actual play.

ACtual play is designed to make it more interesting and challenging for you. It usually is not "true" according to the story.

Example. You think there is such a thing as an "active reload"... no there isn't.

You think a spartan dies from 5 stories drop?... no is just ment to balance gameplay.

You think The N2 has to take a couple of seconds to rip out a mounted machine gun from its tripod as done in gameplay? no. According to the lore its no harder than lifting a box. N2 doesn't have to hazzle a couple of times trying to rip the MG from its nest.

And yet comparing gameplay is the only accurate comparison we have.

True but you gota balance things out. Some things you gota say " ok... the trailers are... canon on 'that' area". "the trailer is not canon on that area"

same for gameplay and books. Somethings are exagerated some are not. You balance things out. I mean if your suit is so damn powerful and can lift a 200+ man with one hand. Why does it take 3 pulls to grab an MG from its nest?. Most likely that little piece of gameplay isn't really accurate.

Nothing in the game or books is mentioned about "unarming" enemies like in the trailer; so even if I would love it most likely aint canon... yet. ALthough is perfectly within the scope of possibilities for the armor for him to do so.

N2 Needs parachutes to survive high Altitudes. the Mjolnir armor can survive orbital reentry... I mean thats hundreds of degrees. N2 most likely would burn to a crisp.

Both are kool in the end, and both are bad in their own ways.

But.... give the N2 500 years to catch up to Halo and the N2 would hand the Chief a can of azz wooping like a hunter going up against a dust mite.

I'm guessing that certain machine guns cannot be ripped off easily without damaging parts of the gun itself. In any case, armor mode lets you rip the turret off much more quickly.

But yeah, the MJOLNIR beats the Nanosuit only because of the 500-year gap in technology. It's like comparing a 21st-century gun to a 19th-century gun. Things obviously unfolded differently in Crysis than it did for the humans in Halo, so give the Nanosuit another 500 years. It'll probably have the strengths of MJOLNIR and N2 with the weaknesses of neither.

True but you gota balance things out. Some things you gota say " ok... the trailers are... canon on 'that' area". "the trailer is not canon on that area"

same for gameplay and books. Somethings are exagerated some are not. You balance things out. I mean if your suit is so damn powerful and can lift a 200+ man with one hand. Why does it take 3 pulls to grab an MG from its nest?. Most likely that little piece of gameplay isn't really accurate.

Nothing in the game or books is mentioned about "unarming" enemies like in the trailer; so even if I would love it most likely aint canon... yet. ALthough is perfectly within the scope of possibilities for the armor for him to do so.

N2 Needs parachutes to survive high Altitudes. the Mjolnir armor can survive orbital reentry... I mean thats hundreds of degrees. N2 most likely would burn to a crisp.

Both are kool in the end, and both are bad in their own ways.

But.... give the N2 500 years to catch up to Halo and the N2 would hand the Chief a can of azz wooping like a hunter going up against a dust mite.

muahaha i'm back
suit is making your muscles stronger and bigger all the while draining your energy, where does it take three pulls? all he does is grab the hmg and pull, would take some force considering the massive amounts of recoil the mounts are designed to handle to keep the gun nice and steady, n2 does need parachute only if it doesn't land on water as seen in first game...the halo armor didn't really cause it was shielded and apparantly mc was able to control his way down with a piece of a ship, its thousands actually... considering the nanosuit is made from carbon tubes i would say it wouldn't burn...
the thing that confuses me is that the nanosuit is not much stronger than the firs one even though the n2 increases muscle mass and is itseld advertised as being stronger than the first... their error? considering that the n2 can change itself? i can't wait to see what happens in c3, maybe rasch has a new upgrade or this n2 wasn't fully completed? how exactly does the halo armor make the person stronger?

how exactly does the halo armor make the person stronger?

It's an exoskeleton. Basically, it doesn't make them any stronger; it's massively strong by itself and they operate it.

..The people inside are also physically augmented, which makes them helluva lot stronger IIRC.

Why are we comparing this? Ones almost 500 years in the future. This is like comparing a World war 2 era Springfield rifle to a Beretta Anti-Material rifle.

Why are we comparing this? Ones almost 500 years in the future. This is like comparing a World war 2 era Springfield rifle to a Beretta Anti-Material rifle.

Wait a minute, since when did Beretta start making Anti-Material Rifles? Or are you talking about Barrett?

Why are we comparing this? Ones almost 500 years in the future. This is like comparing a World war 2 era Springfield rifle to a Beretta Anti-Material rifle.

No, it's more like comparing the bolt action rifles in CoD WaW to the Barrett in MW2.

While conceptually, the halo armour is more advanced, in its gameplay representation the two are pretty similar, except the mechanics tend to favour the N2

..but yes, this whole discussion smells of brain damage.

how exactly does the halo armor make the person stronger?

It's an exoskeleton. Basically, it doesn't make them any stronger; it's massively strong by itself and they operate it.

..The people inside are also physically augmented, which makes them helluva lot stronger IIRC.

oh right, so the black fabric or what ever underneath the armor makes em stronger? its just the armor that makes em strong like the power armor in fallout and what the army wants to make?
the thing with the nanosuit is that without a human its like a rubber suit so it can't support itself whereas the operators are already pretty strong and the nanosuit makes em stronger by making the muscles bigger? and the suit itself is extremely strong... you can't compare 500 year old technology, technically its millions of years old cause Hargreaves stole is from the aliens in the 20th century, i hope that the nanosuit gets even better in c3 cause you meet up with rasch, maybe they'll introduce proper classes?
so is the nanosuits main function to be a biological weapon against the aliens or what? is there a cut scene of john entering the atmosphere cause i've only played reach which made me sad cause jorge died

oh right, so the black fabric or what ever underneath the armor makes em stronger?
Not the matte-black alloy. It's a deep liquid metal layer that registers and amplifies force.

its just the armor that makes em strong like the power armor in fallout
Yeah, armor makes Spartans stronger. But spartans are already physically augmented to be stronger than normal humans (IIRC they can lift around 3 times their body weight and can run at around 35 miles per hour without the suits)

is there a cutscene of john entering the atmosphere cause i've only played reach which made me sad cause jorge died
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f91ozP8cTpo

oh right, so the black fabric or what ever underneath the armor makes em stronger?
Not the matte-black alloy. It's a deep liquid metal layer that registers and amplifies force.

its just the armor that makes em strong like the power armor in fallout
Yeah, armor makes Spartans stronger. But spartans are already physically augmented to be stronger than normal humans (IIRC they can lift around 3 times their body weight and can run at around 35 miles per hour without the suits)

is there a cutscene of john entering the atmosphere cause i've only played reach which made me sad cause jorge died
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f91ozP8cTpo

erm wouldn't liquid metal have to support or something since its a liquid?
so are their genes modified or what?
thanks for the link!#
funny thing is shepard from mass effect would pawn the both of them...
i'm just a bit confused cause it was obvious that you could see the elite cloaked but he only reacts when he uncloaks? i wanna play halo 3 now lol

Easy. Nanosuit (if Nanosuit 2) wins. Because the only way to kill a nanosuit wearer, is take the suit off from him. In Crysis 2, they say that what ever happens to nanosuit wearer, the suit always heals him back. Only minus is symbiote which comes with the price.
But, anyway, I dont know much about Halo, only that there is a guy wit metallic suit. Still, in wars, TOO many suit weares die, where in Crysis only few dies (and they are bacause of aliens).
So, I think, that Nanosuit wins easily.

Easy. Nanosuit (if Nanosuit 2) wins. Because the only way to kill a nanosuit wearer, is take the suit off from him. In Crysis 2, they say that what ever happens to nanosuit wearer, the suit always heals him back. Only minus is symbiote which comes with the price.

NO. It does NOT heal the wearer from whatever might happen to it. It can heal bones etc over longer periods, but it doesn't heal major damage such as Alcatraz had. It only takes over life supporting role i.e pumping oxygen directly into circulatory system and reroute brain activity through microchip and keep blood going, but it will NOT heal fatal injuries.

Easy. Nanosuit (if Nanosuit 2) wins. Because the only way to kill a nanosuit wearer, is take the suit off from him. In Crysis 2, they say that what ever happens to nanosuit wearer, the suit always heals him back. Only minus is symbiote which comes with the price.

NO. It does NOT heal the wearer from whatever might happen to it. It can heal bones etc over longer periods, but it doesn't heal major damage such as Alcatraz had. It only takes over life supporting role i.e pumping oxygen directly into circulatory system and reroute brain activity through microchip and keep blood going, but it will NOT heal fatal injuries.

it sorta does heal it since alcatraz is ready to go but it heals it with cryfibril which replaces the human flash if its not there... thats why prophet was wearing that white shell, both of his lungs were destroyed and something about arteries and heart being shot during attack? reroute brain activity?

to be honest john would of had a chance of survival in the fall cause thermalnal velocity albeit it would have been faster than a normal human would have prevented him from falling too fast and i guess the gel thing would have absorbed a lot of the damage( i mean 500/millions of years difference seems like a time to invent those type of things) and pair that with titanium reinforcements it would of been a much better chance, although wouldn't the squishy stuff like the brain and stuff suffer?
the thing is we don't really know how strong both of them are (very strong anyways) as the gameplay mechanics are different and we can't trust the books... both of them are awesome though!

we can't trust the books
Why not? The books (mostly Fall of Reach and First Strike) set up the storyline for Halo and Halo 2, respectively.

it sorta does heal it since alcatraz is ready to go but it heals it with cryfibril which replaces the human flash if its not there... thats why prophet was wearing that white shell, both of his lungs were destroyed and something about arteries and heart being shot during attack? reroute brain activity?


What you are saying is treating, not healing and that's not even human if you have nanoflesh

Prophet was wearing a suit yes, maybe to prevent N2 from tapping into him?
Alcatraz had these nasty lung and heart problems what you described for Prophet

SPOILERS, BUT YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT
some of the following may be partially incorrect, as I don't feel like looking everything up on Wikipedia. May become a tl;dr

Honestly, in my opinion, I believe the Nanosuit wearer to be better. The suit has potentially limitless capabilities, and if I were to guess, it would probably work in any situation that the MJOLNIR armor would. The suit itself can adapt and change itself. It can fight infectious spores that attack your cells, causing rapid deterioration. In Halo, this would be just about the equivalent to the flood. Spartans are somewhat immune to the flood, due to their augmentations from the SPARTAN II project. This is displayed by Sgt. Johnson; his so called "Bore's Syndrome" is really a coverup for his immunity caused the augmentations that were done to him during the ORION project. Or in other terms SPARTAN I, in which grown males and female volunteers were augmented to basically become super-soldiers. Many of those volunteers died, only few like Avery Johnson survived; these mortality rates cause the volunteers to become kidnapped children who would be augmented during adolescence. Back on the subject, this is how it shows that the Nanosuit is much more efficient in responding to situations. All it needs is a sample, and it already begins to process the situation, and to alter it's structure.

Now I'm guessing, that once a driver for the Nanosuit gets some experience, he/or possibly she, will learn to alter the suit by simply thinking it. This alone, is a very good argument against Spartans. Spartans are stuck inside a suit which is composed of multiple layers. Gel, shields, and armor, along with some motors to help the spartan. Along with this, these men and women, have been taught to become killing machines. PLUS they have the augmentations they received, which improves reaction time, strength, hormone levels, bone structure etc. The Nanosuit can probably imitate that in stature, by mentally enhancing the person inside, and then the Nanosuit can accomplish everything else that meets with force.

I'm not sure if this is right, but I have heard that the Nanosuit essentially starts breaking down the driver, when he or she is damaged beyond repair. If this breaking down includes taking out the heart, lungs, bones, all except for the nervous system, well I mean...damn. That would take out a lot of ways to die. Puncture, asphyxiation, possibly decapitation, and just about everything else that would kill you by damaging that which is taken out by the suit. Plus it protects you from chemical weapons The Spartans however...can die of: Drowning, projectiles which get past armor, impalement, and umm, a bunch of other stuff.

In terms of skill, I have no idea. The Spartans were trained as children, and have augmentations that affect the hormones. This gives them protection of their feelings getting into the line of duty.
Nanosuit drivers...well....they don't have to have skill, but they'd probably have to if they were to ever be put into a suit, which would cost..A LOT. I mean, the suit really eliminates any need for skill. It has a hypersensitivity to it's surroundings which would expose a chunky Spartan within seconds. Once more, I have to mention the mental enhancement. But honestly, I don't know.

I can't think of any more things to write, and nor do I want to. This is probably a bunchload of crap already. Oh well. Grammar nazis welcome.
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Sorry my first post had your quote but it was long so i just took it off cause ur post is above mine!

-the suit is always developing countermeasures and in game a biological weapon against the ceph, surprised they didn't have a name in the first one
-easy to get an operator is your second point?
-the suit already changes the suit mode by thought cause there isn't a button and its not voice activated either, the thing with spartan armor is that its subjected to wear and tear, especially the motors and armor cause they all need replacment and repair, the thing with the nanosuit is that it repairs itself and the user or atleast keeps the person alive(maybe it fixes fatal damage over a period of time?) and with the introduction of N2 it pumps you up with drugs which enhance reflexes and even take away some emotions to make you better, also the wanna be prophet voice motivates you in ur mind O_o
-the nanosuit doesn't break down the user it joins with beyond repair wounds which is what makes you a dead man walking(prophets inner shell probably protected him from it)
the n2 does protect you from hazards but apparantly so can a spartan's armor cause in reach you can get gear with a rebreater? although wouldn't the metal armor get damaged from chemicals? if spartans aren't equipped with the rebreather thing then they die? how would a man covered in an exoskeleton and heavy tank armor be able to swim? the thing is both n2 users and spartans have nealy the same weaknesses
are you saying that special forces(nomad) have no skills? n2 gives drugs to subside unnecessary feelings that would hurt your performance



yeah it sorta is treating but its on the path to healing!
thing is though it has to replace flesh that isn't there so you don't get weak or anything, also the monocul or what ever its called also improves your eyesight!

no sorr i meant like some actions that people are capable of not the history and timeline, sorry!
for example in the first games special edition you get an art book that has a picture of nomad punching a Korean 4x4 jeep to a halt! imaginge how much strength among other things is needed!

Definitely a solider equipped in a Nano suit [either one] will kick the can out of a Spartan [either one]
Now I still love Spartans they are wicked, but Nanosuits where made in around 2020, the people in Halo it took them how long to make .... that..... All it is, is a suit.... it has no special tactical powers like the nanosuit has.
I could easily see Alcatraz running up to a spartan and killing them in an instant with a knife, yeh pretty pathetic.
I think the Spartans are all bark, and no bite. Just like the real Spartans of Greece, while they got themselfs killed [looked awesome while doing it] the Athens people where smart, and used there brain. in the long run Athens were better.
Nanosuit is above, and beyond in intelligence. Sorry Spartans, your awesome, but you really lack A LOT of things the Nanosuit has.
Still show love for Halo, but Crysis..... waaay better.

the n2 does protect you from hazards but apparantly so can a spartan's armor cause in reach you can get gear with a rebreater?
Spartan Armor already has a built-in rebreather. Which is why Spartans can survive in space for 90 minutes without any air tanks.

although wouldn't the metal armor get damaged from chemicals?
No. The armor is made from ship-grade Titanium A, built to withstand degradation from almost any chemical, excluding superheated plasma.

how would a man covered in an exoskeleton and heavy tank armor be able to swim?
See, that's a matter of bouyancy.[/quote]
Their suits are heavy, but they're still buoyant. Which is why Blue Team was able to swim underwater.

are you saying that special forces(nomad) have no skills? n2 gives drugs to subside unnecessary feelings that would hurt your performance
Nomad isn't as skilled as a Spartan. Spartans were:

A) Kidnapped when they were 6 years old, and forced to undergo rigorous training exercises everyday for 6 years. A squadron of 12-year old Spartans took on an entire military base full of soldiers using live ammunition...and the Spartans won. Several times.

B) They were then physically augmented to have increased bone density so they could lift twice their body weight and run at over 35 mph, have virtually unbreakable bones, boost their metabolic growth, have practically unhindered night vision, and increase their reflexes by 300%. After augmentations, Spartans have been shown to effortlessly take out a squadron of soldiers equipped with heavily armored exo-suits. A single Spartan was attacked by 4 Orbital Drop Shock Troopers, the Halo equivalent of Special Forces operatives, and he killed two of them and crippled the other two without getting hurt.

No contest, Spartans have been much better trained than a mere Special Forces soldier.