OCR + UL + LostSpires : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:43 pm

After trying Open Cities Classic, I decided to switch to Open Cities Reborn. Using BAIN, I uninstalled OCC and it's associated patches, then installed OCR and updated my DistantLOD. However, the Lost Spires shop in Leyawiin (Miro's Scribe) is completely gone, though the icon still appears on the map. Fast-traveling to the spot of course crashes, and I couldn't find it anywhere in the landscape using the 'tcl' command. The bug I found in Anvil is the sign for the Flowing Bowl is hanging in the air all by itself <_< I suspect these bugs have something to do with the ordering of my BAIN List, and thus the LOD generation, but I'm not sure. Any insight is appreciated.

Edit 1: I moved the Vibrant DistantLOD BAIN package above the OCR package, and everything except the Lost Spires issue has been corrected. I figured something was amiss when I noticed various buildings were also half-buired in the landscape. However, Miro's Scribe Services is still completely gone, but with a map icon remaining. Any ideas are welcome, as I have temporarily run out.

Standard load order list, relevant items are 50, 51, 7E-82;

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Masters for: Save 52 - Ultimate Test Freak - Anvil, Level 1, Playing Time 03.15.07.ess00  Oblivion.esm01  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3]03  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.0.1]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]07  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]09  VASE - core.esm0A  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0B  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.2]++  Shivering OOO.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp12  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3]15  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]++  Symphony of Violence.esp16  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]17  AliveWaters.esp18  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp19  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp1A  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp1B  CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1C  New Potions by Tealpanda.esp1D  Reznod_Mannequin.esp1E  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]1F  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]20  Get Wet.esp21  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]22  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]23  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp24  Defensive_staves_Immersive.esp25  JQ-Amulets.esp26  LSB Skull Weapons (Clean).esp27  Wyrmfang.esp++  MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp  [Version Beta]28  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]29  OC+COBL Luggage Patch.esp2A  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2B  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2C  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2D  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]2E  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]2F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]30  Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp31  Alluring Wine Bottles.esp**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]32  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]33  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]34  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]35  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]36  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]37  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]3D  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]3E  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]3F  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]41  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]42  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]43  Mage Equipment - OOO.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]44  ArmoryLab.esp45  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]46  Mimics!.esp47  MountainTower.esp48  Museum.esp49  Your_Personal_Museum_Updated-9300.esp4A  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]4B  The Black Cat Jewelry Store - Daedric Statues.esp4C  UnfathomedTower.esp4D  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp4E  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]4F  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]50  The Lost Spires.esp51  OCR + Lost Spires Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]52  Mighty Umbra.esp53  MannimarcoRevisited.esp54  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]55  MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp56  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6.1]58  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp59  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]5A  xulTheHeath.esp5B  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp5C  XulEntiusGorge.esp5D  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]5E  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp5F  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]60  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]61  mythsandlegends.esp62  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]63  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]64  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]65  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]66  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]67  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]68  Mimics-CloudtopMountains patch.esp69  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]6A  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]6B  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]6C  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp6D  xulPantherRiver.esp6E  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]6F  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]70  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]71  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]72  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]73  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]74  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]75  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]76  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp77  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]78  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.1]79  MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]7A  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0]7B  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]7C  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 2.0]7D  Open Cities Reborn.esp  [Version 0.9.1]7E  OCR + OOO Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]7F  OCR+ULCH Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]++  OCC-COBL-Wells.esp80  OCR+ULBWForest Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]81  OCR+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]82  OCR+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]83  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Real Lava 1.3.esp84  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.2]85  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp86  DecoratorAssistant Unlock for OBSE version.esp87  kikaibookbelts-tail.esp88  Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp  [Version 3.2.0]89  Leviathan Soulgems.esp8A  Leviathan Trophy Soulgems.esp++  New_Magical_Staves.esp8B  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]8C  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]8D  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]8E  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]8F  CLS-AlchemyTools.esp90  Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp91  RenGuardOverhaul.esp92  Oblivion XP.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]93  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]94  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]95  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]96  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]97  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]98  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]99  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

And my BAIN package list, the relevant ones here are 31-35, 42, 45-47, 91-93;

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Bain Packages:++ 000 - Unofficial_Oblivion_Patch_v3_2_0_Manual_Version-5296.7z (BCBA7B56) (Installed)++ 001 - UnofficialShiveringIslesPatchv140Manual.7z (79CE866D) (Installed)++ 002 - Unofficial_Patch_Supplementals 3-3-5.7z (576BF6E0) (Installed)++ 003 - Frans Optimized FCOM.7z (4F7F7134) (Installed)++ 004 - Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul v1.33 PyFFI.7z (C60319AB) (Installed)++ 005 - OOO_134_Beta_5_Patch_PyFFI.7z (0A613B37) (Installed)++ 006 - Oblivion Warcry EV Opti.7z (75CA13AD) (Installed)++ 007 - OblivionWarCry109.7z (9F1F8697) (Installed)++ 008 - Bob's Armory FCOM Optimized.7z (7AD638EF) (Installed)++ 009 - Shivering OOO.zip (57EFA4E7) (Installed)++ 010 - OMOBS_Shivering_Isles-28537.7z (77C8070E) (Installed)++ 011 - MMM373BSA.7z (61965A13) (Installed)++ 012 - MMM_37b3_Public_Release-17784.7z (FDB3E6E1) (Installed)++ 013 - MMM Runeskull Rebalance Beta 2 Release.7z (6632EF91) (Installed)++ 014 - MMMDiverseWaterLifeUpdate.7z (5FDE93E5) (Installed)++ 015 - VASE_-_Main_files-28186.7z (D2491435) (Installed)++ 016 - VASE_MMM_patch_unofficial.7z (471DD695) (Installed)++ 017 - cobl 172 pyffi.7z (98CF63DE) (Installed)++ 018 - Loot-Drop-Merchant_changes_Proposal-21104.7z (A95C9B6F) (Installed)++ 019 - MMM-Cobl.7z (9478B271) (Installed)++ 020 - Item_Interchange_0_78-17557.7z (D2FAA97B) (Installed)++ 021 - Mighty Umbra 1.1.7z (D0ADE027) (Installed)++ 022 - Mannimarco Revisted OOO patched.7z (A4650D2D) (Installed)++ 023 - Tamriel Travellers 139c.7z (0CEA7A45) (Installed)++ 024 - TamrielTravellerAdvscript140Alpha.7z (7D25458A) (Installed)++ 025 - FCOM 9.9 BAIN.7z (777B7D19) (Installed)++ 026 - FCOM_WarCry109.7z (4B541396) (Installed)++ 027 - ufcom.7z (62B956CB) (Installed)++ 028 - Supreme_Magicka_0-90b.zip (025E13F2) (Installed)++ 029 - LessAnnoyingMagicExperienceEV 1,7.7z (5F151FEF) (Installed)++ 031 - Open_Cities_Reborn-0-9-1.7z (FE038C82) (Installed)++ 032 - COBL_Luggage_-_OpenCities_Patch-1-0-1.7z (447F88E0) (Installed)++ 033 - COBL_Wells_Support_-_OpenCities_Patch.zip (71A773C5) (Installed)++ 034 - Oscuros_Oblivion_Overhaul_-_OpenCities_Patch-3-0-1.7z (EC52931C) (Installed)++ 035 - ULComp165-19370-1.7z (89DE1D36) (Installed)++ 036 - OOO_-_Cliffs_of_Anvil_patch_v1_1.7z (CD3CB768) (Installed)++ 037 - OOO_-_Snowdale_patch_v1_0-13834.7z (A0664E0A) (Installed)++ 038 - MMM_Dungeons_-_Cliffs_Of_Anvil_patch_v1_0.7z (5CA4D082) (Installed)++ 039 - MMM_More_Wilderness_Life_-_Rolling_Hills_patch_v1_0.7z (E7ABBB61) (Installed)++ 040 - MMM_More_Wilderness_Life_-_The_Heath_patch_v3_0.7z (E5B24988) (Installed)++ 042 - Open_Cities_Reborn_UL_Patches-April 2011.7z (C7DDD71D) (Installed)++ 043 - JQAmulets.7z (0978A29E) (Installed)++ 044 - AliveWaters-6914.rar (C8E00FE1) (Installed)++ 045 - Vibrant_1-6-5-18677.7z (54075FCD) (Installed)++ 046 - Vibrant Distant Normal LOD 1.31.7z (1FED75BE) (Installed)++ 047 - Vibrant_SI_1-6-6-18677.7z (38A807DC) (Installed)++ 048 - All_Natural-18305.7z (525AF603) (Installed)++ 049 - Get_Wet_11.zip (5187E9F7) (Installed)++ 050 - Enhanced_Economy_5_2_2.rar (581E306F) (Installed)++ 051 - Symphony_of_Violence_0_5.rar (78B5C41F) (Installed)++ 052 - Book Jackets high res BAIN simple Xarxes alt.rar (6EBF9A2F) (Installed)++ 053 - Shivering_Book_Jackets.7z (ABF9FA04) (Installed)++ 054 - BetterAmuletReplacer.zip (4F9E1B7A) (Installed)++ 055 - BetterRingsReplacer.zip (4CBE7B70) (Installed)++ 056 - Unique_Signs-25314.zip (FC0A6D23) (Installed)++ 057 - Real Lava 1.3.7z (A6E09306) (Installed)++ 058 - Cosmic Sky Cycling.7z (4FC6CC84) (Installed)++ 059 - Coms_Torch_Compendium_v11-6472.zip (9E26A8A7) (Installed)++ 061 - New_Potions_v2.zip (403DA5D8) (Installed)++ 062 - Reznod_Mannequins-2055.zip (25BABB3F) (Installed)++ 063 - The Black Cat Jewelry Store - Daedric Statues 1.0.2.7z (336BA83D) (Installed)++ 064 - Wyrmfang.7z (6C2F237E) (Installed)++ 065 - Alluring Potion Bottles v3 pyffi.rar (B42DB076) (Installed)++ 066 - Defensive Staves v25 patched.rar (E3A740C0) (Installed)++ 067 - Skull Weapons updated clean.7z (C3402C61) (Installed)++ 068 - Myths and Legends 2 Full Update.7z (50397346) (Installed)++ 069 - Kikai Book Belts pyffi.7z (FC9534E8) (Installed)++ 070 - Better Letters.rar (B0F1DE28) (Installed)++ 071 - Leviathan Soulgems updated esp.rar (CE35A97D) (Installed)++ 072 - Leviathan_Trophy_Soulgems-19862.zip (6EB1DC96) (Installed)++ 073 - At_Home_Alchemy-5478.zip (EFAFE619) (Installed)++ 074 - Alchemy Tools for AtHomeAlchemy.rar (9BB7E91D) (Installed)++ 075 - Map_Marker_Overhaul_3_9.rar (383BEA7A) (Installed)++ 076 - Reneers_Guard_Overhaul_254.zip (B7A5364D) (Installed)++ 077 - Oblivion_XP_4-1-9a-35333-4-1-9a.7z (9371B513) (Installed)++ 079 - ArmoryLab_esp_Merged_V41_RECOMMENDED PyFFI.7z (DA146D58) (Installed)++ 080 - Mountain Tower 5 pyffi.7z (8A5AC549) (Installed)++ 081 - Unfathomed Tower.7z (C52EEAE6) (Installed)++ 082 - Your_Personal_Museum_Updated-9300.rar (AA358578) (Installed)++ 083 - Mage Equipment OOO PyFFI.7z (FA1C782B) (Installed)++ 084 - BHC_Expanded1_2.zip (08DC693D) (Installed)++ 085 - Mimics.7z (2CFE3910) (Installed)++ 086 - Mimics-CloudtopMountains_patch_v1_0.7z (54CE0037) (Installed)++ 087 - NaturalHistoryMuseum11_c.7z (009708F3) (Installed)++ 088 - Vaults of Cyrodiil.7z (B18A3479) (Installed)++ 089 - The_Ayleid_Steps_3_4.7z (AFBC1590) (Installed)++ 090 - Cybiades Updated 2.1.7z (4599FF0D) (Installed)++ 091 - thelostspiresv14.zip (41D2D44C) (Installed)++ 092 - Lost_Spires_-_Unique_Landscapes_patches_v2_0.7z (7D486DE1) (Installed)++ 093 - Lost_Spires_-_OpenCities_Patch-3-0.7z (757BEE65) (Installed)++ 094 - Choices and Consequences 2.3 updated.7z (934C0CB3) (Installed)++ 095 - Enhanced_Hotkeys_2_1_1.rar (D64E62C7) (Installed)++ 096 - New_Roads_and_Bridges_Revised-4-6-1.7z (FEAE4EB3) (Installed)++ 098 - Harvest Flora-2037.7z (9DD13311) (Installed)++ 099 - Decorator Assistant with Unlock 1.1.rar (B76DE6F6) (Installed)++ 100 - Journal_Mod_v3x2x1-15294.zip (F1CAFE28) (Installed)112 - ==Last==

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:33 am

Miro's Scribe Services has been moved to the other side of the city in OCR. You should find it just across the east bridge nearby the chapel.

I don't know why the Map Marker remains behind, but I would assume it has something to do with it being a bad idea to remove persistent references from the game if it's not done in the plugin that actually added it in the first place. In that case, you'll need to remove the map marker from the Lost Spires plugin itself (back up before doing so in case you want to remove OCR, though).

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:02 am

Definitely check the east side of the bridge. You'll know right away if it's there or not.

Supressing map markers is incredibly difficult. There's only so much you can do before your actions become damaging, and I'm certainly not going to go down that road with someone else's markers.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:24 am

Yes, I'm getting around the duplicate map marker at this point by removing it from The Lost Spires itself.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:31 am

That did the trick

I actually walked right by that area in the course of exploring OCR and still missed it, lol. Cheers.