That might have been it. I can't exactly remember now. It's been a while and I've got Rex brain upper most in my mind. Heh. A vertibird landed and dropped the second crate. I was all WOW! I miss these kinds of things.

Side topic: The intelligent deathclaws fate is not canon, as the first time I played FO2 the all survived and prospered in a allience with the ranchers.

Untill a mention of them is made in NV's dlc, or a future game all we can say is that their existence was canon, not how they ended up after FO2.

Wasn't it canonized in Fallout Bible that Horrigan and his team wiped out V13's inhabitants a second time?

I found bits and pieces of Intelligent Deathclaws fate but this one is the most straight forward:



But then we have the whole "Fallout Bible is only semi-canon" debate.

Brb when Ive skimmed through some more tid-bits.

Here's another one.



This is sorta on topic, apparently I was wrong about "pure humans == intelligent super mutants".
It's actually completely random according to Fallout Bible 5.
It's all up to luck...
Sooooooo...
10 Luck = becoming intelligent super mutant?

I don't know I can say I've never checked the Fallout bible, so you're most likely right thanks Gabriel.

Plus I hated the talking intelligent theme of monsters in that game, so if so a welcome goodbye to an abomination to story telling.

However I wish the ones in NV had a pacifist streak sometimes JK.

I consider talking deathclaws in FO Tactics as canon. The Devs of tactics took an Idea the devs of fallout one wanted. The devs of FO1 had the idea for different types of Deathclaws. They wanted ones like in Tactics but the graphics would not do them justice. Still Bethesda considers the "High-Level events" of Tactics canon. There is a MWBoS, there was a calculator and The Warrior. Bethesda's Emil Pagliarulo has this to say about the Deathclaws "■The Deathclaws are portrayed as intelligent and talking. According to Fallout 2, the intelligent version was created by the Enclave after the events in Tactics. However, Tactics deathclaws have a normal maximum intelligence of 4, making them slightly smarter than dogs and leaving the most intelligent specimens just barely intelligent enough to speak -- this could have been a minor regional variation much like the appearance of hair."

Edit: that quote is from the vault and I am not 100% they are his words.

I would say they are canon, a sub species of Deathclaw.

Thanks Styles.

Canon is nerd rage mixed with the amazing action of grammar police combined with the fasion cops and then add a large dose of giant mutant atomic homeowners association.

Canon is a Company

Thanks for contributing, You are now fired from the Canon. just kidding.

Also, @ Styles: I agree that the Tactic Deathclaws are canon, I just don't agree everything else is.

Sorry, man. Completly overlooked that part.

Now to find a brick wall for my stupid head....

There's nothing in Tactics I would consider not canon. I have been thinking about it for close to 10 years. The intro is a little off saying the BoS came from a Vault but some people say "Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans" is just hype. The main problem Bethesda has that I know of is that Tactics does not have that 1950s feel that they have for FO3 and FO New Vegas. Still FO1 and FO2 don't really have it either. They said "high-level events" so that pretty much means everything. I think we talked about this before.

Well F3 was the only one that stressed the fifties this much.

If you overlook some things tactics really works in the FO universe.

Very much agreed, if people can get past that it does not have the 1950s look like FO3 then they can enjoy it. It still has the 1950s feel and it has real world weapons many based before the 1950s time split. The story works and is great.

You don't think that gasoline does not seem to be a rare resource goes against canon? Because ain't there supposed to be no gasoline left? But yeah, Fallout 1 and 2 don't really have a 1950's thing, it's just how it was pre-war but not how it is now. You can see it in the car wrecks, the pipboy, the tv-commercials, the vault boy introduction video and other details here and there, but not like people actually dressing and acting like it's the 50's. It's more Mad Max-ish than that. But I'm glad what Bethesda did and strengthened the 50's theme, because I like it, the retro-futurism in a dystopia/post-apocalyptic world that is.

Now... if there only could be a Tactics 2 being developed, with todays graphics, more retro-futurism that Tactics and following canon, with less focus on doing missions for BoS, and more focus on actual RPG'ing and choice... (I'm of course talking about a new birdview game where you control your character and your companions, and using that "live turnbased"-thing they had in Tactics).... Nah, who am I fooling? It's not mainstream and would not sell well, too complicated for people used to only FPS. I remember growing up in my brothers lap while he was playing games like this in the 90's. Ah...

gabriel77dan has started a FO Tactics II thread in the Fallout Series Discussion . FO3 and FO New Vegas has gas stations all over. The oil drums in Fallout Tactics are not always full of Oil, some have radioactive junk. Who's to say its Oil from the ground and not bio-oil or synthetic oil? FO2 there is a quest to get Fuel for the tanker or the hubologists does that mean FO2 is not canon? The cars in FO Tactics could run on ethanol. Things can be explained.

FO1 and FO2 did have the 1950s feel I am not saying it did not but they had the feel that those days are in the past "the long ago time." The world had moved on with new fashion and culture. FO3 brought it right back, almost everyone stuck in 1950s clothing as if they never thought to make new clothing.

Wherez?! I'll look into it!


Yes, now that you say it... it doesn't have to be gasoline. But I've actually wondered why there are gas stations in Fallout 3/New Vegas when all the cars have small nuclear reactors There are also no pumps in the gas stations, not that I remember I've seen now. Guess there still can be gas, but may be too rare/expensive that it wouldn't be worthwhile using it as fuel for cars or powering your house or such.


Yeah, that was what I meant. The 50's things are the ancient garbage lying around, but the people ain't 50's at all.

Fallout Series section.

Thanks for the info!