How, exactly, is claiming anyone who has any complaint of any sort to automatically be an idiot in any way better than having a complaint about the game? Do you honestly think this game absolutely perfect, with no bugs, UI errors, or clearly lazy programming tricks used like line reuse? If so, you clearly aren't playing the same game the rest of us are.

You can complain about complainers all you want, but you are even more guilty of bias than the "unpleasable idiots".

I got into The Elder Scrolls starting with Morrowind. I didn't really care for Oblivion much but it was still an ok game. Skyrim on the other hand brings me back to the good old days of Morrowind I love that game and Skyrim is taking that away so far I really enjoy this game. People that talk [censored] about it don't know what a good game is so to all that talk [censored] about Skyrim or any other Elder Scrolls game go [censored] yourself.

Marriage seems especially glaring to me, as I've seen at least a dozen companion mods that gave you companions that had detailed backstories and as much personality as the modders could manage to cram into the limits of the way the game let you program schedules. Then Bethesda decides to incorporate some of this, and basically just has marriage where it makes no difference who you marry, they all say the same lines in the same voice and it only results in an NPC's "home" area being repositioned and giving you a free pie every day. They also took the "bold" step of not bothering to have any sort of gender-check variable so that they wouldn't have to write another line of dialogue based upon what gender your character has. That's not "being open-minded to gay marriage", that's just lazy programming. As it stands, marriage is basically a way of adding a walking piece of furniture to your house. Instant marriage, just add Amulet of Mara!

Even worse, I'm still waiting on Bethesda to actually notice some of those mods, especially the ones based upon OBSE. In Oblivion, I had a mod that let me assign extra hotkeys to basically every key on my keyboard I wasn't already using for something else. I could bind healing myself to "G", which would make my spell switch to the healing spell, heal myself, then switch back to my old spell (which was usually an offensive spell). I bound healing others to "T", and summoning a daedroth to "B". All things that I would want to cast quickly without going through a menu to select, but which I wouldn't need to time precisely in conjunction with aiming the way my other spells would require.

This. But you don't have to be so rude

@wraith_magus every elderscroll game since morrowind has reused lines, it is a trick, but one that allows the developers to devote more time into crafting content of the game that is not so easily reused, like modeling armor and weapons. its about priorities. some people value others differently than what the developers take into consideration, but that does not mean the developers were trying to decieve people who value the things that did not get as much attention.

You... you destroy me. Is marriage really that lame in Skyrim? I thought it would be pretty awesome and a very nice, detailed feature... I think I won't marry anyone, then, and wait for a mod to improve vanilla marriage and vanilla wifes.

What mod is it? That sounds awesome to have so many hotkeys. I hope Skyrim wil get such a mod, too.

I still haven't found out how to marry and I've been to the temple and talked to maramel etc, I want to marry my housecarl... Or an argonian. Anyone know where I can find an argonian wife?

I know they have been doing that for quite a while, but the marriage portion of the game just reeks of laziness. You seriously just slap someone in the forehead with a medalion to brainwash them into marriage, and then have two extra lines of dialogue with your spouse, one of which is to demand they stay in the kitchen. There's no point in even putting that marriage system in there (and drawing attention to it with those achievements/trophies, no less) if you aren't going to put at least as much meat on those bones as any random side-quest in the game.

Marriage in-game only has meaning as long as it has some sense of immersion and role-play. "Hey, you, marry me!" "OK!" conveys no sense of investment for the player, which is why I'm already seeing people posting messages about how they got bored of their wives and cut them to ribbons. How can you feel any attachment to a character exactly like a dozen others but for a few facial wrinkles whose only purpose is to give you a daily pie ration?

Which is the real problem, it generally falls on the modders to make any Bethesda game great. Modders will take the time to spit-shine that turd, and make significant other characters that will do things like go on dates with your character, and actually add some real value and immersion to the experience.

You... you destroy me. Is marriage really that lame in Skyrim? I thought it would be pretty awesome and a very nice, detailed feature... I think I won't marry anyone, then, and wait for a mod to improve vanilla marriage and vanilla wifes.

What mod is it? That sounds awesome to have so many hotkeys. I hope Skyrim wil get such a mod, too.

You... you destroy me. Is marriage really that lame in Skyrim? I thought it would be pretty awesome and a very nice, detailed feature... I think I won't marry anyone, then, and wait for a mod to improve vanilla marriage and vanilla wifes.

What mod is it? That sounds awesome to have so many hotkeys. I hope Skyrim wil get such a mod, too.