Wow thanks for the personal attack that really made my day better.

To respond to the half of your post that isn't blatantly ridiculous - I'm here to offer suggestions where I can to people who hit other weird bugs that I've seen, and to make an attempt at keeping things reasonable in some threads. Threatening to sue Bethesda for releasing a game that has some bugs is hardly reasonable and I'm merely pointing out the flaws in that idea.

And I'm not currently playing Skyrim because I find that my PS3 runs better when I don't play it ever waking hour. Maybe that's why my game is still running just fine, because I haven't played it 10+ hours every day since it was released.

yes so its obviously are fault for playing a game that has a huge game breaking bug isnt it lol i only played for 2 hours at a time until i got the bug 20 hours in and now nothing works your logic is flawed

serious? its america, they can sue for anything over there lol. Its merely a suggestion, if so many are really not happy with their purchase, then this should be addressed by any respectable company, if they don't then you have no other choice but to seek legal advice on the matter, ranting and raving will not achieve anything. Get a crappy subpar meal in a restauraunt? more than often you would get a full refund, get a subpar electrical appliance? you get refunded, i dont see how this basic response from companies does not apply to game companies.

Also, on a side note: has anyone noticed the trend in forums for people to start threatening legal action, despite the fact they really have no idea how the legal system works? I've seen this on a lot of games lately... Is this some sort of Phase the internet is going through now, or has insanity become contagious?

Yes but did you buy those 300,000 copies ?? No you bought only 1 copy and so can only sue for $60 --- IF you get an attorney to sue on behalf of all buyers then they would have to contat each buyer and get them to sign on to the law suit and the most you would get is $60 per complainant + perhaps legal fees (so the lawyer would make some money) and to even get that much you'd have to prove it was a fault of Bethesdas and not something inherent with the PS3 or even a combination of the 2 (in which case you'd also have to sue Sony. and to prove that you'd need expert witnesses that can anolyze the problems and find what is causing the problem and who is at fault and they aren't cheap and you can not sue to get reimburshed for the cost of hiring them to testify for you ! so in the end most likely you'd be out many thousands of dollars if not hundreds of thousands by the time SONY and BETH dragged things out for years and each person might get a discount on the next Bethesda product they buy.

Also if you are not satisfied with the product you would first need to follow methods to mitigate your damages and the court would probably find that you could have merely returned the product and gotten your money back and therefore deny your case from proceeeding in which case you'd be liable for the attorneys fees and they would sue you to recover them !

Also, on a side note: has anyone noticed the trend in forums for people to start threatening legal action, despite the fact they really have no idea how the legal system works? I've seen this on a lot of games lately... Is this some sort of Phase the internet is going through now, or has insanity become contagious?

It's called a class action lawsuit. People get together and sue large companies all the time, they don't always win but many times settlements are awarded. Technically speaking, there is valid ground for a lawsuit if one could prove that Bethesda knowingly sold a defective product. Even if you couldn't prove they knowingly sold it defective, which I'm guessing they did, you could still prove that they sold a defective product to hundreds of thousands of people. Like another person brought up, this would force a product recall. People are laughing at the situation because it's "just a game", but what if this were food and there was an unwanted ingredient inside that caused heart failure if a large portion was eaten. Or if this was a new car and the breaks went bad after 40 miles, it's the same principal. The company sold a defective product, if you can prove it then you have a case.

That being said, I don't have the money to go after such an endeavour. But should a person do so, I and anybody with the PS3 copy would automatically be included.

Seek legal advice? LOL Please take a recorder into that meeting with a lawyer. I would love to hear them laugh their ass off at you and to hear their response. This will be gold. Please post response on here.

Yes but did you buy those 300,000 copies ?? No you bought only 1 copy and so can only sue for $60 --- IF you get an attorney to sue on behalf of all buyers then they would have to contat each buyer and get them to sign on to the law suit and the most you would get is $60 per complainant + perhaps legal fees (so the lawyer would make some money) and to even get that much you'd have to prove it was a fault of Bethesdas and not something inherent with the PS3 or even a combination of the 2 (in which case you'd also have to sue Sony. and to prove that you'd need expert witnesses that can anolyze the problems and find what is causing the problem and who is at fault and they aren't cheap and you can not sue to get reimburshed for the cost of hiring them to testify for you ! so in the end most likely you'd be out many thousands of dollars if not hundreds of thousands by the time SONY and BETH dragged things out for years and each person might get a discount on the next Bethesda product they buy.

Also if you are not satisfied with the product you would first need to follow methods to mitigate your damages and the court would probably find that you could have merely returned the product and gotten your money back and therefore deny your case from proceeeding in which case you'd be liable for the attorneys fees and they would sue you to recover them !

It was a suggestion, i dont even own it on ps3 so i have no reason to go follow through with any form of legal action. It was a suggestion to those who were constantly ranting and raving, threatening boycotts etc. im not a lawyer, im not versed in american law. But from what i know, in my country this would hold some weight. Perhaps it would be a better option to go to the retailer and get a refund, which would no doubt open up more confrontations with retailers refusing to refund the item. Most people dont know how the legal system works, that is why you employ a lawyer for a consultation, i was suggesting people seek 'ADVICE' not go out and sue them on their own. If they were to ask a lawyer and the lawyer said this just might work, then they can go with that, if the lawyer laughed in your face then you can move on down a different path.

Pepole are dissatisfied with the way game companies treat customers, this type of ignorant behaviour displayed by game companies is rarely shown in other industries who happily accept if their product is flawed and either refund, recall or offer to fix the problem. We don't know beth wont patch this yet, but based on their previous record i doubt they will fix this issue that seems to have been carried over from fallout3 etc.

Couple more wrong things here:

1. It wouldn't force a product recall - at the absolute maximum Bethesda would just be forced to figure out a proper patch for the problem if they haven't already by the time the lawsuit actually reaches that point. If they can actually fix the problem for the end users then there'd be no financial liability on their end beyond that point.

2. Nobody would be automatically included. To be included in a class-action lawsuit you must choose to opt-in. You either hear about the lawsuit and contact the lawyers handling it directly, or sometimes depending on the action in question they may have contact information for potentially affected parties and you might get something in the mail asking you to opt-in. They wouldn't just automatically opt-in every PS3 owner on the planet who ever played Skyrim because some of them haven't had any problems or may not care about the lawsuit to begin with.

I could have gotten a free iPhone on AT&T like everybody else in the lawsuit. I chose to decline.

This would essentially be the same as if you ordered a $60 dinner at a nice restaurant and you weren't happy with your meal, so instead of sending it back (waiting for Beth to fix it) you immediately try and sue the restaurant for the offense.

For your anology to work the meal you ordered would have to be cooked on the outside and frozen on the inside.

I'm a law student and have already studied sales and consumer law in Sweden. Therefore, I don't know anything about American law, but if this were to be judged in Swedish law, then the only way to "get to Bethesda" would be to say that the goods is defected.

The risk of the product is yours, and thus it is normally you to prove the goods is defective.
However, if the seller has given you a guarantee, then it's up to the seller to prove the product is NOT defective. If the seller can't prove this, the then product is presumed to be defective within 6 months.
The Swedish consumer law is mandatory and any contract that puts the consumer in a worse position than the law is null and void.

Once we have that stated, we need to see what penalties which can be invoked. At first, the seller is obliged to remedy the problem or redeliver the product. This is what Bethesda naturally would do. Remedy is taking the course of action to patch. Redeliver wouldn't help you in this case, cause if the whole version you have is problematic, then a new product would have the same defects as the other one, obviously. The remedy (patching) is something the seller can DEMAND to do first, if it can happen within a reasonably time and without significant inconvenience to the buyer. Can it happen within a reasonably time and without a significant inconvenience to you as a buyer? Perhaps, perhaps not. One can argument for and against this matter.
If neither remedy nor redeliver happens, you can demand price reduction or a termination of the contract (none of which is very relevant for you in this case, I assume).

Independent of above, you can also claim damages. This covers both indirect and direct losses that you have suffers. The terms indirect and direct are somewhat discussed and complicated, but in general you could claim damages for any kind of losses you have suffered. It covers suffered losses related to other products which Skyrim has caused damages to (very doubtful in this case) and damages to the specific defective product Skyrim (most likely in this case).

Damages would be so low in this case that it would be practically useless to even demand it. There is one possibility though that you can get damages for the time you've been without your game, if you can prove that the game was so important to you that it caused you a discomfort or inconvenience that would have been avoided if you would have received a proper, functional working product. In
jurisprudence, this has been invoked for for instance if a person gets defective gardening tools and has to do the gardening by hand until the functional working products arrive. In this case, this would be doubtful, but still possible. If you would have buyed another game as a covering purchase, you would also receive damages for the (reasonable) price difference between these two products.

The most natural cause would be that the seller remedies the problem within a reasonably time and without a significant inconvenience to you as a buyer, and if that can't happen that you get to terminate the contract or get a price reduction.

So instead of just not doing anything if the next patch doesn't work, you will waste thousands of dollars hiring an attorney and going after a corporation that made over 200 million in revenue off just their last game in two days? Do you have any idea of the legal defenses a company like that can afford? Also, I guarantee that this is not grounds for a legal suit. If it was, it would have happened to a million other game studios that released a buggy game at launch (i.e; pretty much every game studio).

Everyone needs to chill the eff out. I am having lag issues too. I gotta deal with it. It'll get fixed. If it doesn't, trade in the game, swallow the loss, and don't buy another Beth game on PS3. There.

This would essentially be the same as if you ordered a $60 dinner at a nice restaurant and you weren't happy with your meal, so instead of sending it back (waiting for Beth to fix it) you immediately try and sue the restaurant for the offense.