Prometheus : Othor Games

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:01 pm

Haven't seen a topic about this movie on the boards, so if you've seen it, what did you think?

I liked the movie and thought it was entertaining, but at the same time, I thought it was full of inconsistencies, unbelievable plot points, and that it left way too many unresolved questions.

If you saw it:

Spoiler

Do you think the engineer in the opening scene was seeding earth or sabotaging the moon facility by infecting himself?

Did the engineers create the goo or they did discover it? Were the engineers created by another species merely to sacrifice themselves to make new life? (They seem to be all-male drones. If you look at the http://defectiveyeti.com/images/alien_giger_big.jpgyou can see that they've been infecting themselves with xenomorphs)

Was Vickers an andriod? (Weyman said he cannot have children and that David is his only "child". David calls him father and near the end of the movie Vickers calls him father too).

What did David say to the engineer? Why did it immediately go "HULK SMASH" on everyone? Why do they want to wipe out humanity?

Why did the engineer bother to hunt down Shaw instead of heading over to one of the other spaceships David mentioned and fly away?

Why wasn't Shaw a bit more upset at Weyman and Co. for refusing to remove an alien from her chest and deciding to put her in stasis? She teams up with them 5 min after the fact.

The movie raised so many more questions than it answered. I'm still thinking about it a few days later, which is always neat, but it seems a bit lazy. Like it's leaving everything up to the sequel.

Your thoughts?

What about the mysterious eggs that appeared in the ship. Where did they come from. Plus the engineer in alien is dead in the spaceship in the flight seat, not the escape pod. Plus what was with the different alien.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:01 pm

What about the mysterious eggs that appeared in the ship. Where did they come from. Plus the engineer in alien is dead in the spaceship in the flight seat, not the escape pod. Plus what was with the different alien.

I like to think of those slender eggs as either an earlier prototype, or perhaps competing design. Who can kill off a species and breed the most horrific monster contest. I wonder who won?

There is also the possibility they are simply from an earlier stage in the aliens development.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:18 am

I like to think of those slender eggs as either an earlier prototype, or perhaps competing design. Who can kill off a species and breed the most horrific monster contest. I wonder who won?

There is also the possibility they are simply from an earlier stage in the aliens development.

The one that I thought was stupid was that the engineer died in the pod. He even gets into the pilot seat. I thought yep so the alien will burst out and there will be continuation to the first film. How does the dead chest exploded engineer manage to get back to his ship and sit in the seat ready for the first film?

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:31 pm

The one that I thought was stupid was that the engineer died in the pod. He even gets into the pilot seat. I thought yep so the alien will burst out and there will be continuation to the first film. How does the dead chest exploded engineer manage to get back to his ship and sit in the seat ready for the first film?

That's simple, they're two different engineers. The vessel Ripley encountered in Alien was a completely different one of the same (or very similar) design and there is no direct continuation between the films.

As for the supposedly very disturbing graphic scene:

Spoiler

The surgery was pretty graphic, but it didn't bother me at all. What did bother me (in the sense that it upset me a little, though it was completely awesome at the same time) was the hideous tentacled squid monster thing that popped out. Kill it with fire I say! :flamethrower:

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:13 pm

I thought it was terrible.

For one thing, the juvenile, one-dimensional characters (the female protagonist is the only one I liked) behave unrealistically throughout the entire film. The script is one of the worst I have ever seen, and pointless scenes scattered throughout the movie try to pose themselves in the light of some serious circumstance, when they're actually childishly designed and superficial; many things occur for seemingly no reason and never get referenced to later in the movie. All of Prometheus' attempts at comedy are HORRIBLY cringe-worthy, out of place, and simply unneeded. The only enjoyment I found was in the environment and premise of the story, and I thought the effects were amazingly well done.

I have this unshakeable feeling that Prometheus could have been very good, but it seems to me that a great opportunity was squandered--very badly.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:09 am

I thought it was terrible.

For one thing, the juvenile, one-dimensional characters (the female protagonist is the only one I liked) behave unrealistically throughout the entire film. The script is one of the worst I have ever seen, and pointless scenes scattered throughout the movie try to pose themselves in the light of some serious circumstance, when they're actually childishly designed and superficial; many things occur for seemingly no reason and never get referenced to later in the movie. All of Prometheus' attempts at comedy are HORRIBLY cringe-worthy, out of place, and simply unneeded. The only enjoyment I found was in the environment and premise of the story, and I thought the effects were amazingly well done.

I have this unshakeable feeling that Prometheus could have been very good, but it seems to me that a great opportunity was squandered--very badly.

If you look at it on a meta level the movie is very fascinating. Hahaha, particularity the very different "face hugger" stage of evolution. Notice a theme between these two movies and monster designs. The metaphor was just hilarious and so obvious. Though I doubt it's safe to talk about here.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:32 pm

That's simple, they're two different engineers. The vessel Ripley encountered in Alien was a completely different one of the same (or very similar) design and there is no direct continuation between the films.

As for the supposedly very disturbing graphic scene:

Spoiler

The surgery was pretty graphic, but it didn't bother me at all. What did bother me (in the sense that it upset me a little, though it was completely awesome at the same time) was the hideous tentacled squid monster thing that popped out. Kill it with fire I say! :flamethrower:

How did the alien kill the other engineer in the different spaceship. It wasn't a queen (I think) so how could it have laid eggs? Oh well guess a lot of these things were left for the viewers interpretation.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:46 pm

How did the alien kill the other engineer in the different spaceship. It wasn't a queen (I think) so how could it have laid eggs? Oh well guess a lot of these things were left for the viewers interpretation.

I'm thinking sequel. What if it's the girl in the second spaceships pilot suit? That would be quite a grim but yet very fitting end to the Prometheus films. It also sets up both movies to tie into each other. I'm thinking that perhaps she at some point decides to try and stick it to the engineers, but something goes horribly wrong. My idea is in Promethus 2 she goes to the engineer worlds and has plot exposition. Finds out what the hell is going on ect. More answers. Prometheus 3, she returns to the same sector of space to find another hidden research base like the one in Prometheus 1 (we know the two planets are near each other). She attempts to dump the cargo on the engineers, but for some weird reason something goes horribly wrong. Sets the ship to broadcast a distress signal to stay away hoping no dumb humans come across it. Naturally since it's an engineer ship she wouldn't be able to broadcast it in a human format. Just a simple beacon and hope for the best. Or even worse, she tries to disable the beacon and leave in the ship and fails.

What would happen if a facehugger got implanted by the aliens in Prometheus? Vice versa. As a mind bending question.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:29 am

I'm thinking sequel. What if it's the girl in the second spaceships pilot suit? That would be quite a grim but yet very fitting end to the Prometheus films. It also sets up both movies to tie into each other. I'm thinking that perhaps she at some point decides to try and stick it to the engineers, but something goes horribly wrong. My idea is in Promethus 2 she goes to the engineer worlds and has plot exposition. Finds out what the hell is going on ect. More answers. Prometheus 3, she returns to the same sector of space to find another hidden research base like the one in Prometheus 1 (we know the two planets are near each other). She attempts to dump the cargo on the engineers, but for some weird reason something goes horribly wrong. Sets the ship to broadcast a distress signal to stay away hoping no dumb humans come across it. Naturally since it's an engineer ship she wouldn't be able to broadcast it in a human format. Just a simple beacon and hope for the best. Or even worse, she tries to disable the beacon and leave in the ship and fails.

What would happen if a facehugger got implanted by the aliens in Prometheus? Vice versa. As a mind bending question.

Wouldn't be surprised if they did a sequel. It was a cliff hanger ending after all.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:38 pm

I also really didn't like the movie at all. It was really confusing and in the end we had the same knowledge that we had when we first started watching the movie. Not cool at all

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:24 pm

I really want to see this. Might as well go see it on my date next week. There better not be any chick flicks out.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:20 pm

After reading the IMBD thing, apparently they weren't even on the same planet (moon whatever) as the first Alien. Two completely different places.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:21 pm

After reading the IMBD thing, apparently they weren't even on the same planet (moon whatever) as the first Alien. Two completely different places.

They could have been more obvious, I mean I figured it out. What with them looking completely different, but people less familiar about the original might not know.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:07 pm

Best movie of all time.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:01 pm

Watched it and love it. If you have trouble understanding or accepting its background or its coherency, try watching the four Alien movies. You shouldn't like the whole Alien series if you hate Prometheus. If you do, there's some serious inconsistency in you.

Spoiler

First I didn't knew it was Earth at the beginning of the movie, since their home planet has almost the same climate suitable for living (let's ignore the inconsistency there...). But it all make sense if you say it's Earth.

Vickers may likely be an android. They never shown the six scene with Janek. Perhaps what happened back there was his true motive to propel Prometheus into the Space Jockey ship. Or perhaps Vickers was designed to have the protocols to intercourse.

I do believe the goo was engineered the same way they engineered mankind. They simply play around with genes a lot, creating also the Alien, which in turn evolves so successfully that it went out of hands. Mankind could also be a weapon they designed. There is this one thing Mankind has over the Alien, we can procreate ourselves, without the need of alien host.

There is also a second Space Jockey ship at the very end of the movie, so I suppose that's the one Rippley will encounter in first Alien.

I do hope there will be a Prometheus 2. That should continue

Spoiler

Shaw's search of the next Space Jockey, and if I didn't miss out anything, Millbourn wasn't there since Janek asked his men to take him away. The face hugger did infest in him, so I think there is a hook there for next movie.

Love HR Giger's arts