Prometheus : Othor Games

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:00 pm

Haven't seen a topic about this movie on the boards, so if you've seen it, what did you think?

I liked the movie and thought it was entertaining, but at the same time, I thought it was full of inconsistencies, unbelievable plot points, and that it left way too many unresolved questions.

If you saw it:

Spoiler

Do you think the engineer in the opening scene was seeding earth or sabotaging the moon facility by infecting himself?

Did the engineers create the goo or they did discover it? Were the engineers created by another species merely to sacrifice themselves to make new life? (They seem to be all-male drones. If you look at the http://defectiveyeti.com/images/alien_giger_big.jpgyou can see that they've been infecting themselves with xenomorphs)

Was Vickers an andriod? (Weyman said he cannot have children and that David is his only "child". David calls him father and near the end of the movie Vickers calls him father too).

What did David say to the engineer? Why did it immediately go "HULK SMASH" on everyone? Why do they want to wipe out humanity?

Why did the engineer bother to hunt down Shaw instead of heading over to one of the other spaceships David mentioned and fly away?

Why wasn't Shaw a bit more upset at Weyman and Co. for refusing to remove an alien from her chest and deciding to put her in stasis? She teams up with them 5 min after the fact.

The movie raised so many more questions than it answered. I'm still thinking about it a few days later, which is always neat, but it seems a bit lazy. Like it's leaving everything up to the sequel.

Your thoughts?

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:55 pm

Oh right, that's the movie that is like a prequel to Alien? I haven't watched movies in theathers for years, if not a decade, but i may have to buy this on a disc.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:04 pm

I thoroughly enjoyed the film, and watched it in 3D at the cinemas which made it even better.

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According to wikipedia, he was seeding the earth, and it looked so because of the way the engineers DNA spread everywhere, it would look to be the building blocks of life.

The engineers probably were created by somebody else, although I doubt they sacrificed themselves for new life, as they planned to exterminate humans and you could see them in the hologram running from xenomorphs.

I doubt Vickers was an android, the captain probably would have been able to tell because he slept with her, and she seemed to show emotion at various points in the film. And why would she need to go into stasis and excercise, or bring that auto-doc?

David probably asked the engineer the correct questions, I think the engineer going hulk smash was just a cop-out, a cheap way to not answer questions the film and open up a sequel. Which is stupid because if she is going to their home planet then she should be expecting to get hulk smashed. They probably want to wipe out humanity to make a new species, or maybe the engineers of the film were a splinter eco or religious terrorists, who thought it was morally wrong to create life artificially and sought to destroy all manufactured organisms, and the normal engineers sabotaged the WMD facility to eradicate the terrorists.

Maybe he thought she could fly away in that ship pod thing, and wanted to kill her before she flew back to Earth. Remember the engineers probably don't really know about human technology.

She probably was very upset, but she had no choice really as they probably would have put her into stasis if she argued or raised issues, and she REALLY wanted answers.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:08 pm

I don't think that what Scott did was lazy at all. Leaving us to think about the possibilities is *awesome* and I hate it anyway when I see a movie or read a book and all the answers are just... right there (which, incidentally, is what I consider to be 'lazy').

Loved the movie. Way I see it, it can stand on its own or be a prequel to Alien, which makes me love it more. What I desperately (desperately!) hope is that Scott does NOT make a sequel. A sequel would be bad. Very bad.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:38 pm

Haven't seen a topic about this movie on the boards, so if you've seen it, what did you think?

I liked the movie and thought it was entertaining, but at the same time, I thought it was full of inconsistencies, unbelievable plot points, and that it left way too many unresolved questions.

I agree, I thought the movie was very disorganised, for lack of a better word.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:03 pm

I don't think that what Scott did was lazy at all. Leaving us to think about the possibilities is *awesome* and I hate it anyway when I see a movie or read a book and all the answers are just... right there (which, incidentally, is what I consider to be 'lazy').

Loved the movie. Way I see it, it can stand on its own or be a prequel to Alien, which makes me love it more. What I desperately (desperately!) hope is that Scott does NOT make a sequel. A sequel would be bad. Very bad.

I like a few mysteries and a bit of interpretation, but not to much.

The majority of questions should be answered and maybe a few left with some hints in the background, dialogue, etc.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:03 pm

Oh right, that's the movie that is like a prequel to Alien? I haven't watched movies in theathers for years, if not a decade, but i may have to buy this on a disc.

It's not a "direct" prequel to Alien, but it does involve the elements from the movie. It mostly talks about the creature that viewers see that is laying in the chair. I have not seen the movie, but after reading different synopsis about it i'll wait for the disc version or paid TV.

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What really puts me off are the space jokey/engineer having that goo in the containers. I'm even further...annoyed with the MC's mutated alien baby. Really hoping that was just a plausible filler as to how the alien creature was there on the planet. There are good stories out there talking about Xenomorph home planets and i'm gonna hate if the aliens came into being because of some freak "mutant" accident.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:49 pm

I liked the movie and thought the ending was really interesting. I definitely want the sequel that it seemed to set up (and that Scott has been pretty open about), and because of that all of the unanswered questions don't really bother me. If they end up leaving it at that then I'd be a little disappointing, but a direct sequel would pretty much have to cover everything that Prometheus left for folks to speculate about. It wouldn't have to explain every little detail, ruining that sense of wonder, but a few of the plot points raised are too big to just let go IMO. A sequel, in answering these questions, may also raise new ones that are equally interesting.

Spoiler

Was Vickers an andriod? (Weyman said he cannot have children and that David is his only "child". David calls him father and near the end of the movie Vickers calls him father too).

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Didn't he call David the son he never had, rather than saying he couldn't have children? Vickers and Weyland's relationship simply seemed strained, made clear by things such as them arguing over who would control the company. Plus, she presumably slept with Janek. Is that something that androids can do, and without Janek finding out?

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:12 pm

Oh right, that's the movie that is like a prequel to Alien? I haven't watched movies in theathers for years, if not a decade, but i may have to buy this on a disc.

I rarely go to the movies, but for a summer popcorn movie, it was worth it.

Re: Vickers

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You guys may be right. I just remember Weyman saying he couldn't have real children which paralleled Shaw.

My crackpostish theory is that Vickers is an earlier model than David which is why she needed to go into stasis. She and Weyman probably created David together which is why he calls her mom. As for her sleeping with the captain - why not? I believe David ate food in the opening scene and had to dye the roots of his hair, so it seems plausible that she could do that kind of physical act. She could be posing as a human - or - In a blade-runner parallel - maybe she doesn't know she's not human.

The surgery pod was for Weyman not her - that's why it was only programmed for a man. . .which is slightly ridiculous if you think about it.

Ah well.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:25 pm

I was really looking forward to this, but was a bit disappointed.
I thought it was too transparent (not enough mystery), and too quick.
I was hoping for more suspense, and more time spent on Earth investigating ancient depictions and text that suggested ancient visits by aliens.

Basically, I hyped it up for myself as a completely different movie

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:30 pm

The commercials turned me off. The flashing screens just bug the heck out of me.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:02 pm

I like rocks.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:54 pm

I haven't seen it, but I might in the future.

The only thing I know about this movie is that an aussie kid apparently passed out after watching a specific scene in the movie

Spoiler

Something about a woman performing manual abortion or something.

For those who've seen it, it couldn't have been that bad could it?

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:22 pm

I thought it was very average. Godawful characters and plotholes everywhere, but it was at least entertaining.

As for the scene mentioned above me by Erginho, it was pretty nasty. Definitely got quite a reaction from many people in the theater.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:26 pm

I like rocks.

The only thing I know about this movie is that an aussie kid apparently passed out after watching a specific scene in the movie

It wasn't that bad.

****

I looked up Vickers on IMDB:

Spoiler

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/faq#.2.1.21

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:25 pm

I haven't seen it, but I've read David is the best character in the movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOOJl5lWNfM

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:12 am

Hated it.

I'm all for existentialism, creationism and theory...but it was a stale, sloppy snoozefest. A film in the Alien franchise should have tension up the wazoo. Like soda has bubbles, fire has heat, It should be a crystalline given with no exception.

It was just handled poorly. The film itself looked amazing and was absolute eye candy no doubt, but it was riddled with problems on a multitude of levels.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:13 pm

It's an excellent prequel. Answering just enough to make us want more. I think it was very clear we are an accident and they might intend for Earth to be for them. Hence reclaiming it from us. It fits in with the themes too. Namely reproduction is just a bio-mechanical act. Look at the film series this entire way and it will blow your mind. Well not necessarily the third and 4th aliens. Just the first two, and Prometheus. They don't look at life like we do, they see it far more in logical reproductive terms. We need x planet, y species is there. Let's wipe them out, and do it in the most horrifying way possible to let them know it's just business. We want to have more of us than you. It's ironic then that the biological terrors they've created seem to have done the same to them. I would imagine despite their terror they would be very proud at such a species. Hence why they revere it in a godlike way. Also it's very clear there are 2-3 factions within this alien organization. One definitely reveres sacrifice to create life. The others are similar, but different.

These are just my musing on what I've noticed.

Edit
Circle of Life/Death cult taken up to 11.

Edit2
If this species existed and it was possible for a preemptive strike I say nuke them from orbit to be safe. Then never go on those planets again, ever.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:16 pm

I thought it was entertaining. As for the questions, my answer is in the spoiler tag:

Spoiler

Q: Do you think the engineer in the opening scene was seeding earth or sabotaging the moon facility by infecting himself?
A: Seeding the earth.

Q: Did the engineers create the goo or they did discover it? Were the engineers created by another species merely to sacrifice themselves to make new life? (They seem to be all-male drones. If you look at the http://defectiveyeti.com/images/alien_giger_big.jpgyou can see that they've been infecting themselves with xenomorphs)
A: Engineers have created the goo he drank in the opening scene. No idea if another engineer species created this engineer species, or if it created itself. :shrug:

Q: Was Vickers an andriod? (Weyman said he cannot have children and that David is his only "child". David calls him father and near the end of the movie Vickers calls him father too).
A: Most likely not an android. First of all, she was in a cryo-sleep like all the others (except for the 100% confirmed android fella). In addition, the way she answered the captains question "I've been wondering, are you an android?" made it pretty clear that she's not.

Q: What did David say to the engineer? Why did it immediately go "HULK SMASH" on everyone? Why do they want to wipe out humanity?
A: This is a big question and the answer is very much specilation. But the way I see it is either;
1: The engineers simply want to create stuff and wanted to use the humans as a cocoon to create aliens, or
2: Humanity is too similar to them in both DNA and intelligence.

Q: Why did the engineer bother to hunt down Shaw instead of heading over to one of the other spaceships David mentioned and fly away?
A: Otherwise the movie wouldn't have had the 'born of the alien' scene in it. :rofl:

I'm not going to try to explain that

Q: Why wasn't Shaw a bit more upset at Weyman and Co. for refusing to remove an alien from her chest and deciding to put her in stasis? She teams up with them 5 min after the fact.
A: She was high on drugs? :shrug:

Another of these things I'm not going to try to explain..

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:00 pm

Don't even get me started on how their creations/technology all looks biological. With particular emphasis on reproductive parts if you care to notice. It's very freaky stuff. Inspired by Necronomicon IV. You can google it.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:45 am

Don't even get me started on how their creations/technology all looks biological. With particular emphasis on reproductive parts if you care to notice. It's very freaky stuff. Inspired by Necronomicon IV. You can google it.

O ya, geiger's stuff is pretty freaking weird and I can never look at it the same after taking that movie class. Have a poster on my door that's titled "Gieger's Alien" with a picture of the Xenomorph on it.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:59 pm

O ya, geiger's stuff is pretty freaking weird and I can never look at it the same after taking that movie class. Have a poster on my door that's titled "Gieger's Alien" with a picture of the Xenomorph on it.

I kind of put 2+2 together when I was young and seen it. But someone had a very detailed theory on the series which ^2 and blew my mind further. I imagine a film class could go into all sorts of neat and weird details in movies people see and never realize they're watching. Hahaha.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:12 pm

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Why do they want to wipe out humanity?

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David made a comment that, who doesn't want to eventually kill their father? Or something like that. So maybe the engineers were afraid the humans would want to eventually wipe them out.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:03 pm

Haven't seen a topic about this movie on the boards, so if you've seen it, what did you think? I liked the movie and thought it was entertaining, but at the same time, I thought it was full of inconsistencies, unbelievable plot points, and that it left way too many unresolved questions. The movie raised so many more questions than it answered. I'm still thinking about it a few days later, which is always neat, but it seems a bit lazy. Like it's leaving everything up to the sequel. Your thoughts?

I liked it, on the whole. My answers to your questions:

Spoiler

Do you think the engineer in the opening scene was seeding earth or sabotaging the moon facility by infecting himself?
-Seeding Earth.
Did the engineers create the goo or they did discover it? Were the engineers created by another species merely to sacrifice themselves to make new life? (They seem to be all-male drones. If you look at the http://defectiveyeti.com/images/alien_giger_big.jpgyou can see that they've been infecting themselves with xenomorphs)
-The engineers created it, at least that was the impression I got. It would make no sense to have ANOTHER creator on top of that.
Was Vickers an andriod? (Weyman said he cannot have children and that David is his only "child". David calls him father and near the end of the movie Vickers calls him father too).
-No, I don't think so.
What did David say to the engineer? Why did it immediately go "HULK SMASH" on everyone? Why do they want to wipe out humanity?
-No idea.
Why did the engineer bother to hunt down Shaw instead of heading over to one of the other spaceships David mentioned and fly away?
-Easy. She knew too much. The engineer didn't know where she was going- she could easily have been going back to Earth, where she could have spilled the beans on the secret. The engineer didn't want another army of earth humans coming to the planet.
Why wasn't Shaw a bit more upset at Weyman and Co. for refusing to remove an alien from her chest and deciding to put her in stasis? She teams up with them 5 min after the fact.
-I was annoyed with this too. She walks in a few minutes after she'd performed the surgery on herself, and NO-ONE comments on the nice metal stomach staples she now has, and no-one cares about the mess she's made in the room with the medical device in it. If they had cared about the mess, and making sure the baby alien was dead, the ending would have been different.

I haven't seen it, but I might in the future. The only thing I know about this movie is that an aussie kid apparently passed out after watching a specific scene in the movie

Spoiler

Something about a woman performing manual abortion or something. For those who've seen it, it couldn't have been that bad could it?

Regarding the scene:

Spoiler

It was quite graphic, but I think the graphic nature of the scene was necessary to portray the horror of having an alien growing inside her. I'm not sure it was worthy of passing out over, though. I was eating chocolate at the time and I managed to keep that down just fine.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:43 pm

Yea, how nonchalant they were about the whole medical scene bothered me. I think it was the low point in the otherwise good movie.

Edit
I think they managed to make a female character as badass as Ripley again. You need some serious badassitude to do that to yourself with only some painkillers. It didn't gross me out in that it was weird, so much as it was just really painful looking.