One Dunmer with an agenda (look upstairs in the Cornerclub - you'll see) insisting that it's 'gotten worse' does not imply that rules are no longer being followed. Nothing in the game suggests that those rules were broken. Why would the Decree even still be there if they were?


It does mean that you have full access to property and employment rights, thereby proving that all 'Ulfric keeps us in a slum boohoo' complaints are utterly fabricated. The Dunmer can leave the slum if they wish, and at least two of them have done so.


Are they really? There are only two openly hostile Nords in Skyrim, and of all the Dunmer only one - Ambarys - actually makes a point of complaining about racism. They have the same rights as everyone else in the city.



The guard you speak to tells you openly that there aren't enough resources to investigate and that Ulfric prefers them all to be focused on the war effort.


Stop what? Stop the personal opinions of two Nords? I think Ulfric has bigger things to worry about.


What, exactly, are they doing to the Dunmer? With the exception of Rolf and his friend, nothing is up.


Because, as even Brunwulf admits, they'd be torn to shreds if they shared a street with the Dunmer.


By two people...

I've only seen Nord prisoners being taken who's apart of the Stormcloaks, but again I'm not really here to prove anything for the Empire I think they are less racist then the Stormcloaks (as Nords in general seem to be slightly racist as well).

It's not even about being "cozy" it's just controlling your own people. I've seen guards right next to Roloff as he's yelling they don't tell him to stop. Civil War or not if you can't control your own city how can you expect this man to be high king of Skyrim.

As to the Altmer she says she has friends in high places and hints to her bribing the Nords or at least some kind of shady business, so because the Dunmer don't want to grease the Nords palms they have to suffer for it? A bunch already work for Nord families what more do they need to do?


Actually that's the room where the East Empire women stays after you complete the quest for them. It's there cause it's been there why make the monument damaged and broken if that didn't signify something either? Where just going to have to disagree on this cause the game doesn't actually say either way if they are still abiding by that.

They "have" to live there. Talk to the carriage driver, Yippee they get to walk over to the stall and sell meat and another one gets to go to "his" farm.

Alright lets count them. Roloff, The Beggar Guy, The Innkeeper hates the Dunmer according to Susanne, Torbjorn works the Argonians to hard with little pay, and most other don't even knowledge the situation. Still don't have to same rights if they are forced to live down there.

Then they point you to the Steward who overs to pay you to find out about the problem, I'm sure he could have hired someone else to do the job also, but seeing as this is a quest in game it's really all just speculation cause the player has to be the one to take care of it.

These forums always attract the most fascinating discussions.

On the one hand, the whole civil war seemed reflective of how the first war for the independence of my country (Scotland) in the 14th Century.

Then they turned out to be quite racist, so I regretted it somewhat. (Edit: I'm referring to the Stormcloaks, not my countrymen)

Yelling at someone is not a crime. As for 'control his own city,' Rolff is just one man. He doesn't represent anything other than himself.


She means the Thieves Guild, not the Nords. And what about Nurelion, Arivanye, Hillevi, Suvaris, and Luaffyn? They've not greased anyone's palms, and they're still rich and successful. One of them's a Dunmer.

You obviously have a huge, fat, double standard. You also seem to care far more about some people being racist against a few others than innocent people being executed all over Skyrim. Boggles my mind.

Ever been to the torture room of the Thalmor and heard the background of the prisoners there? They are all innocent. Ever talked to Thalmor Justiciars who always try to kill you for allegedly worshiping Talos no matter what you say? So yes, innocent people are being tortured and executed at random.

The Empire lets it happen, Ulfric does not. That makes him a hero. He even fights in the frontline himself during the assault on Solitude. Ulfric is awesome, he's a true Nord. Any criticism on Ulfric in defense of the Empire is hypocrisy because the Empire is doing worse things on all fronts.

/\ This.

The opinions of two (I repeat, two) washed-up Nord drunkards are not more important than arbitrary kidnapping, imprisonment, and torture of innocent people at the hands of a secretive foreign theocracy.

Harassing someone is.

Oh really? Funny she says that when you first meet her before even a fence for the thieves guild, either way she has some pull over the Nords.



Yes, but while the Empire was growing stronger to fight the Thalmor Ulfric starts a war to drain their supplies. Hero? I think not all he is doing is prolonging more torture by the THALMOR not the Empire. Sure are they allowing it to happen now? Yeah, but nothing they can do at the moment. Also when does Ulfric actually fight the Thalmor? So far I see him fighting the Nords he wants to protect from them so he's killing just as many innocents trying to win his war.


Try four and for a town with so little people that's a lot considering there are only like 7 Dunmer.

I'm at this point where I need to decide who to go with as well... Is Solitude effected in any way if you join the Stormcloaks? I like Solitude, don't have a house there yet but I want to, I want to make sure I will still be able to do these things. Are there any big places that you won't be able to go if you join either side?

Basically, I'm neutral.
The game tries to give you negative views of both as soon as you enter their "capital city"
In Windhelm, you hear of the discrimination against all other races except Nords while in Solitude you see a seemingly innocent man being executed (also they tried to kill you at the start)
These points basically sum up why I'm neutral; you can side with aggressive racists or militaristic, power-hungry invaders of Skyrim.

Not in Skyrim it isn't.


You're imagining that, it's never mentioned in-game at all. And even if it was true it still doesn't explain all the other Altmer, Bosmer, Dunmer, and even an Argonian that have or over the course of the civil war attain high positions in Stormcloak courts.


In terms of importance, four people whining doesn't quite match up to a tyrannical foreign theocracy riding roughshod over territorial integrity and the judicial process of an entire empire.


Turn around to the Thalmor and tell them to take a hike. Really, the Thalmor's army was eviscerated, and being elves it will take them centuries to replenish it. The Emperor can tear the WGC to pieces if he wants to. The Thalmor would be powerless to stop him.


The presence of the Towers, three of which are now deactivated.

No. You'll have access to all the cities. The jarls change, some NPCs' disposition will change towards you, there is a minor house in Whiterun that is destroyed which could affect a radiant Thieves' Guild quest, other than this the world reverts pretty much to normal.