Don't forget that you can still download the individual fixes. It's something, at least.

And then compile them and test for conflicts myself? What a waste of time. Now multiply that against everyone who wants to play an improved bug fixed game. A total waste of time and the [censored] about protectors modder's rights is so far out of touch with what this mod actually is. DarkOne doesn't know what the [censored] he is talking about.

BTW, for anyone that wants version 5, I found a link right here.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7V6SW2CV

While it is easy to blame The Nexus, Zenball did give up, the new permission system The Nexus just added would have made his work easier, but he decided to quit on his own.

Yeah that was pretty lame.

However I still think the Nexus crew were incredibly unreasonable about the whole thing and still are considering that they believe anyone who makes a bug fix owns the bug fix, even if the bug can only be fixed in one way.

The only thing I can think of is moving the Patch to another website, but I don't see that happening.

From what I get, Zenball got punished for doing the right thing, giving credit to those who made the fixes, if he just said he did all the fixes himself, no one could have proven otherwise.

The new system will make any difference in months at best, and many probably wouldn't bother with it leaving with the default "ask me for permission".
I would give up too, if instead of just sharing my work I am suddenly forced to do all those useless negotiations - some of us have other things to do in our lives and have only that much time for hobbies.

Finders keepers. If someone makes something, they should be allowed to decide what to do with it.

Okay, well I came up with ALL the bug fixes in the compilation patch days before anyone else found them and corrected them and I uploaded them ALL into that 7z file.

Prove otherwise.

The upload dates.

What upload date? You still don't know if I have plaigarized anyone's work.

Is there any point to your defense of the Nexus and their stupid, stupid policies or some love of copyright or what? What is it that motivates you to argue that someone can truly OWN a bug fix?

:swear: :banghead: :rolleyes: :shakehead: :cryvaultboy:
Now that's bad....
Why, thank you, Nexus!

HEE HEE

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I am looking at the reactions and the selfishness which is going on here. It let's me think if I shouldn't stop completely releasing mods fore New Vegas.

Zenball didn't get the permission for one easy made fix in his self chosen time frame. I offered him help he didn't accept it.

It seems there is absolute no respect for the hours that are spent by modders like me to make your game more entertaining. All should be free for everyone to use and if it doesn't work on the downloaders system you get cursed on because the readme was simply ignored or the copycat that simply hijacked the mod didn't include it.

I know the game is fresh and a lot of new people are here with no idea how much work is involved in modding and what Nexus is doing for the authors. I think I take a longer break and wait till the community gets nicer as it was in FO3, before I release anything again.

Excuse me, but how can you own a bug fix? There is no signature on it, there is no individual idiosyncracy that can lead it back to the original creator, so how can you own a bug fix?

It's not about owning. I don't own anything from my my mods except the meshes and textures I made from scratch and the sound files I recorded. The rest is owned by Zenimax, Bethesda and other authors who gave me permission to use their own work.

It's about respect.

The system on Nexus was made because a lot of 'modders' copied FO3 work to New Vegas without asking anybody. It is the only way to react against such 'nice' people.

As I wrote earlier I offered Zenball my help. I am daily several hours online. He could have get an answer to the PM in a few hours if not minutes. He didn't asked.
He didn't took out the patch he didn't get permission for which is another way to deal with it.

Sorry that's the wrong way.

You're just mad he didn't ask for your help, I get it.

Nice edit there <_<

Like he said, it's about respect for other people.

I have read your earlier reply before you edited it (not nice and respectfull) and about this one: No I am not mad why should I.

I am mad at people who claimed my work as their own in a complete other case.

I'm sorry, but I should not have to defend my decision to discontinue work on the patch, it is a personal decision and not one that anyone has any right to criticize me for.

Moderators, please lock this thread, there is really nothing more to say here.

I have been compiling my own patch as I did not want few of the bug fixes that Zenball had in his. Whats funny, Is the New Fook 0.3 has fixed alot of the early bugs in this game. Going through that list in FNVedit fook 0.3 has identical fixes to bugs that Zenball included in his. I'm not talking about the original fook fixes in zenballs but old included fixes that are now obsolete because the new fook has fixed the exact same thing. Who is to say fook didn't just merge them with there mod and then claimed it as there own?

I'm not saying thats what Fook did, I'm just pointing out something that is completely stupid. 5 people looking at the same bug could come up with the exact same fix, To claim ownership over a bugfix is ridiculous. Basically Zenball did what was right and gave the original authors credit for bugfixes and got punished for it. Had he just claimed it was his own work no one could have proved otherwise. I do believe Nexus is trying to do the right thing but there kinda caught in the mud.

Just to clarify if you use somebody else created work you should ask them for permission but having to do so with bug fixes is overboard. When he could have just claimed it as his own work and no one could have proved otherwise.

Well if you got a problem with it I can tell you what to do with it.

You keep that up and sesom is going to quit making mods.