In other words... if you want to be a Mage you need to turn invisible, hide in a corner and watch as the AI plays the game.

I think I figured out what the problem is here.

As a famous actor once said in his movie, "What we have here, is a failure to communicate."

In my previous post in this thread, I'm talking about problems at level 19-20, that spells aren't strong enough, and I'm owned in dungeons.

Most replies here are from mages at the much higher levels. I'm sure at level 45 with master or expert spells, I'd be doing fine, too.

Meanwhile, my destruction is at 35 (example only, I think it's lower) and I need 60 to get to the next higher level.

But you guys/gals that are doing fine, thanks for letting us know, but that really doesn't help much.

False. If I feel like it, I DH up, whip up some bound swords (I am weak there because hardly any 1h perks) and make a fair reproduction of a tanked up Nord. If I want to, that is. Much more fun for me to paralyze a bad Guy and bathe 'em in wall of flames.

And we're telling you that Destruction is still broken. It's only less noticeable at lower levels. It's not just you.

Some of my responses are copy/pastes from the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1313820-am-i-the-only-one-who-think-destruction-is-fine/. I suggest people read it to. I keep seeing the same weak reasons Destruction is fine. "Use minions", "exploit the system", "use stunlock", "yadda yadda yadda".

All things equal (<--See this?) again, all things equal, the mages "weapons" are severly gimped compared to the warrior type.




Well then your one-handed character svcks.



My character can wipe the floor with a one-handed bound sword. Destruction just tickles them to death. Knowing the above, does that make sense to you?



Agreed. Stunlock is so weak. Weak meaning stupid as is! PC users, save yourselves the time and just use the console to kill them. <_< It really is the same thing! You just save the time, that's it.



Correct.




Lets see how much fun warriors have then.

I just want to see Destruction scale properly like physical weapons do. Destruction is the mages weapon, why gimp it?

Conjuring swords once in a while is fine, but when there is a weapon [bound or otherwise] in my hand at the end of [well] over 50% of the fights I actively participate in... then I come to the realization that I'm not really playing as a Mage anymore.

When I can handle three Falmer with just Destruction spells, let me know as I'd really like to play Mage with real offensive capabilities.

Strange thing to say. Wall of flames is a destruction spell.

Also, do you use 1h only no block no shield bash no armor no smithing no enchanting no potions nothing else at all?

look early on or later on the only reason to lvl dist magic is for enchantments that are the school house rock, ring the bell for my firey soul trap lighting bow, school is now in session, and named it "The Fate of Hus"
Hus was the guy that the pope had burned at the steak for translating the bible from Latin to english because "Its is only mint to be in God Lengo" for getting the fact that the bible's canon comes from hebrew and greek so it was only transcribed in Laten after around 150 ad and was changed in that translation, ex "though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death i shall fear no evil" in the old hebrew writings it really says " though i walk through the valley of darkness i shall fear no evil", also any time you see fool in the it is meaning wickedness because to be a fool back then was to not know about YHWH aka God, and to not know God was to be wicked, so any time you see Fool in the bible think Wicked, Its funny how things get changed over time.
back on topic
being a mage svcks 1st thing i did was max out distruct and was pissed at the skill points i wasted for it, its like putting points in lock pick why when you can buy 30 at a time from the furry kitty cats out side the towns,
also i was thinking on my next char to be a kj... i cant spell it kitty cat werewolf, but if that is so would i always be trying to kill my self.................. because cats and dogs dont like each other..... oh the questions and ideas for skyrim dev.'s

I do wish people would stop this ridiculous argument. Do you use Heavy Armor to deal damage?

EDIT: The argument here is that Destruction does not stand as an efficient way of dealing damage.

I've really enjoyed being a mage as it happens. I've also perked up one handed which is a helpful addition, but actually I've really enjoyed it

No, but my understanding is that you do use block to deal damage. Not true?

If you max out Alteration and Restoration you can take a few hits, max out enchanting so you're not out of magicka 99% of the time and max out conjuration to basically double your damage and triple your survivability.

Pure Mages take a lot more work to be overpowered but you can definitely get them there.

Im a pure Mage this playthrough and I'm only level 5 and I'm loving It.

Cheers

IMO, the argument is a non-starter. Sure, pure mages are viable. Pure Destruction mages (which is what many of us mean when we mean when we say 'pure mage') are not, or at least are not enjoyable for many of us.

You basically want to listen to most people here. The two best magical schools(in terms of combat) are illusion and conjuration. Destruction IS something i do use....but it really is just support for your atronarchs. Hide behind frosty and spam blizzard, or just frenzy and summon two of anything turn invisible....presto! Everything is dead.

You just need to work out good spell combos. Here's mine...


Mage's BBQ: Mass Paralysis + Wall of Flames :flame:

Drinking Buddies: Conjure Dremora Lord x2

Perfect Storm: w/ 2 Storm Thralls, Storm Call (shout), Lightening Storm :shocking:

Hello Goodbye: Paralyze + FUS RO DAH :wave:

THO: w/ 2 Frost Thralls, Blizzard, liberal application of Ice Spear. :cold:

I'm playing almost all mage with some sneak and rare archery. Playing on expert, with destruction around 65 I have no problems. Boss fights are tough but they're supposed to be, because otherwise why bother?

I have 400 magicka and gear to regenerate it about 300%. It doesn't take that long to regen in combat. Throw a few fireballs. Hide, run, and heal. Repeat. Don't let them get too close. Use shouts strategically.

it's fine with me.

yes and you can stagger people and get shields that rest. magic (or make them) for a magi a light armor shield is a good way to go............... until you realize that magi are week like i did and just use con , wards are ok but man they kill your mana and im not going to waist chant spots to have free alt, and 60 sec of dragon/eboney skin really at that mana cost??? who here plays on the higher difct. and has battles that last only 60 sec. with foes you need that with all you mana is spent healing and reapplying it. i tell you from over 150 hours as a pure magi....... i svcks no if ands or buts, if some one says it is distructor then they are playing on "my 60 year old neighbor beat a dragon and she never played a video game in her life" lvl.

she was wondering why i was screaming Foo Ken Hors (sound it out and you will understand) with my turtles on they cant hear it, so i bosted up the ol 5.1 and sub and let her fight a dragon she liked it.

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Jesus Christ.

Destruction is a DAMAGE tree. Block is NOT a damage tree. ONE-HANDED, TWO-HANDED and ARCHERY are DAMAGE trees. The latter three can stand by themselves as efficient methods of doing damage. Destruction does not. The only purpose of Destruction is to DEAL DAMAGE. Not to BLOCK. not to DEFEND. Not to CC. Not to BUFF. But it is an inefficient method of actually DEALING DAMAGE.

It CANNOT stand by itself as a primary method of dealing damage. ONE-HANDED, TWO-HANDED and ARCHERY do NOT rely on other trees to be good at what they do. DESTRUCTION does.

EDIT: In short, if you want to play a spellcaster, ignore Destruction and go straight for the other schools of magic. Conjuration's your best bet.

Oh. Ok.

This is pretty much what http://skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2275# does. If you play on the pc, and are frustrated with having to play a magic user within such narrow constraints, then you're the sort of person I made the mod for! I'm always looking for feedback on how I can make things better.

If you're on the console... I'm afraid there's nothing I can do to help.

Balanced Magic :celebration:

what book is that prayer in the bible
is it niv, or is it the living bible "the we are going to tell you what to think" version i would like to learn how to say it in hebrew or latin

Its a challenge, but fun

Fixed.



Come back after level 40, see what ya think then.