Does anyone know for certain whether PvP is restricted to only Cyrodiil? Cause I like the thrill of going into enemy territory or having the surprise that like one of your factions cities are being attacked. Also I'd love to organise huge raids on the Aldmeri capital :3

No open world pvp. All pvp is conducted within Cyrodil.

Shame! Any news about servers and such?

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_elder_scrolls_online/b/pc/archive/2012/05/11/what-elder-scrolls-online-offers-skyrim-fans-mmo-players.aspx

Non-instanced PvP warfare. Remember the good old days of open warfare in the Hillsbrad Foothills as huge mobs of players fought over Tarren Mill and Southshore? Expand that to the entire province of Cyrodiil. Take out the server-crashing lag, since the engine can handle up to 200 players onscreen and Zenimax Online has still-under-wraps plans to divert excess population. Forget about lowbie ganking, since everyone’s stats are automatically boosted to level-cap status in Cyrodiil. Oh, and there are things to fight over besides murdering helpless questgivers. Like, for instance, keeps whose walls you can bash down with trebuchets.

http://gamingsydney.com/articles/the-elder-scrolls-online-the-basics/

Instanced balanced PVP arenas exist within the game for players who prefer the e-sport side of MMO’s and will surely be very competitive.


I'd imagine theres also duels. So basically Cyrodill is for all players, like it! No dbout Im going to have fun here, so basically you can go to Cyrodil once you start to play the game.

Shame though if you cant PVP everywhere though, especially they give stealth to all players, isnt that easy to avoid PVP with that. They should make PVP-everywhere-servers. IMHO.

Its disappointing to hear that there is no open world PvP but what Suomi described doesn't sound too bad. When people made a list of the things they wanted to see in the game I replied with open world hardcoe pvp server with safe zones in towns and such. I love PvP and the "e-sport side of MMO's" so I just hope the PvP turns out really good... and balanced.

I agree. I think its going to be fun to see when all classes can stealth, it adds whole new dimesion to the pvp, especially all those co-op things like rogue puts a trap and mage can put it on fire to make extra damage.

Fun game, so when can we pre-ordeR?

Beta will probably start next Spring or Summer and pre-order will probably be around when beta starts but there has been no official word. We still have many months to wait.

Yeah, I've heard the lead PvP designer say that atm they can handle 200 characters on screen but that this will mostly likely be a lot more when it comes out. Maybe 400-500? That would be awesome, imagine fighting on a field 165 v 165 v 165. Now that is a battle! Unlike the battle for Bruma in Oblivion or the Battle for Whiterun in Skyrim or Alterac Valley in WoW.

So no PVP without consent. Perfect. No need to worry about someone whos sole aim is to ruin other peoples fun while I am out exploring on my own. BTW if you like open PVP full loot game full of people who want nothing more than to ruin your day = Darkfall

I wait DF 2.0 like rising sun. Hopefully they keep the grind in control. Darkfall isnt so good game I want to spend 10+ hour per day but I'd love to play it more casually forever. In my opinion grind was the biggest mistake they ever did.

That's completely misinformed piece of crap or total carebearism. FFA PvP only promotes the freedom of choice (Hallo, RPG). If such choices do not exist, its nothing but a dumped down roller coaster to cash money out of the masses with false promises of proper MMORPG.

Looks like they're making big changes over there. 27th June, free two days and its basically free client + reduced sub fee after that. Probably need to check it out, but as far I know everyone is playing on NA server.
http://www.darkfallonline.com/blog/?p=3230

Eugh. Really? How is that a good thing? Imagine the Uruk-hai asking Boromir if they could fill him full of arrows during the first movie adaptation. "No thanks, we'd rather not get into a fight actually. Kind of in a hurry you see."

PVE servers are for you. If you don't like the sound of setting up ambushes, fighting for control of key locations with uneven odds, the feeling of overwhelming an enemy team 3 to 1, or the triumph of BEING overwhelmed 3 to 1 but still managing to win through teamwork and tactics, then PVP is not for you. Consented PVP is the most boring thing I can imagine. It strips away all the suspense and dynamic elements.

I don't like the idea of everyone being bumped to Max level and start cap when going into cyrodiil. That sounds extremely care bear.

Darkstorne I 100% agree with you. Open world PvP gives you so much more possibilities and freedom, and it ain't that hard to make that much PvP freedom possible.

Especially if you balance it with a good crime/punishment system. I love FFA PvP with full-loot but it is often pretty imbalanced and results in people feeling like their day has been "ruined." There are exciting and immersive ways to balance this system of course but that's as far as I'll say.

Do you mean with full-loot that when you kill a player that you can take all his stuff and in result ofc that the the killed player looses all his stuff? You know what would be a good way to balance it out? If a player enters enemy territory then everyone of his enemy faction should be able to attack them if they choose to do so. But the player that entered enemy territory will not be able to attack everyone, only the people who have selected PvP mode. Though then again it wouldn't always be too fun, I guess.

then play on a PVP server, im sure they will be available at launch

If they have different kind of servers ofc.

Yes that's what I mean. I do recognize that not everyone enjoys this style of play, but everyone should recognize that FFA full-loot is the closest thing to the spirit of TES, since that's basically what happens in Skyrim/Oblivion/Morrowind/Daggerfall/Arena. Kill anyone at any time for any reason and take everything they are carrying on their person. However, in TES there are also some pretty hefty penalties for it, and criminals often have a harder time living in the world. It isn't impossible, but it is certainly harder. The same could be done in an MMO, with some minor tweaking. Reputation, karma and bounty systems could work, especially if a player can collect a bounty on a criminal player's head. Imagine those possibilities. But...I've already said too much.

Having played Darkfall for over a year I can safely say a lot of players play games like that just to ruin the fun of other players, that might not be how they start out but it is what they become (probably making up for real life issues). They watch the non hostile player PVE for a while then when their health is down jump in and finish them off then take all their loot and kit. Then run off and hide like the coward they are. (there were some arses like this in UO too but not too many). This makes play rather miserable for those that often play solo and like to explore and PVE. Call them care bear players if you like. I dont fall out with that title.

If this game was PVP full loot then I would look elsewhere for something to play. However it is not PVP full loot therefore those that want PVP full loot should look elsewhere or tolerate the PVP by consent playstyle.


A full PVP server would not be a bad idea. I would stay clear of it.

Hey, good point. I'd love to see the option of a hardcoe PVP server with rules like this. Semi-loot would even work well if full-loot is too intense for most players, and balance into the crime system. The more low-level players you gank, the higher your chance of dropping your weapon and/or armour when you get killed by another player. Law-abiding players have a 0% chance of dropping their hard-earned gear, whereas renowned gankers will always drop something that is incredibly valuable and time-consuming to replace if they get killed. Bounties would be another good deterrent, since that would increase the chances of a ganker being hunted and killed, making them more likely to lose their gear.

Bad things happen to bad people. I like it.

So then... what happens to the players who aren't ganking others and are just instead really good at PvP and often fight just to fight, setting up duels and such?

Why should they be hit with the same punishments? Or are you somehow going to invent a way to be able to tell what is a gank and what isn't?