Correct me if I'm wrong on this since I'm new on lore.

Thalmor's goal is to unmake reality, to do this they must deactivate and destroy the towers.

However there is also Talos, he mantles Lorkhan and thus fortify the wheel of convention if he's removed, then reality will be unmake.

Am I correct so far?

If I am, this is my question, to unmake reality do one just have to do one of the above (deactivate tower or removing Talos) Or both?

Both.

Towers make creation more stable and so does Talos. A great many towers however have already been deactivated in past games. Hell all of Oblivion was basically caused by a disabled tower. Right now there are so many inactive towers that the world should fall apart, but Talos who mantled Shor keeps it all together. Destroy Talos and the remaining towers will fall and the world will end.

So say, all towers are destroyed but Talos remain, or Talos is removed but there are towers remaining, the world will not be unmake yet?

I don't know if Talos can uphold creation on his own, all towers should manage however.

How many towers remain anyway? I know that Snow-throat is still standing, while severals like white-gold has been deactivated.

Well I don't know what all towers are, I don't think anybody does for sure, but I'll try to list them best as I can.

Walk-Brass: Disabled (Dragon broke, during Daggerfell)
Red-Mountain: Disabled (Disabled during events of Morrowind)
White-Gold: Disabled (Destroyed by the Oblivion crisis)
Crystal like Law: Disabled (Destroyed during the Oblivion crisis)
Snow-Throat: Disabled (No real idea why, there are some theories floating around the forum though)

Adamantine: Enabled, the Ur tower, zero stone whatever. The first tower ever made.

Those are all pretty much confirmed towers, some would assume the Hist is a tower as well, others say that Khajiit are either a tower or a stone. It all becomes a bunch of speculation however and far as I know no conclusive evidence has been given pointing one way or the other.

As for speculative towers:

Falinesti, the walking city in Valenwood. No idea what the status is, but I'm guessing disabled.
Orichalc??? No idea about this one to be honest.

Isn't there tree-sap or something? And I thought that Snow-throat is high hrothgar?

Tree-sap is about Falinesti, the huge walking tree city that is a Tower.

The Tower of Snow Throat should be High Hrothgar, but the stone of this Tower seems nowhere to be found, so more or less disabled.

The stone of Snow-throat? When I was still lurking around on this forum I think I saw a discussion about the stone being Alduin or Jagged Crown, not sure. But even if it's not found does not mean that it was disabled right? It can be that we just don't know what the stone is

Anyway, thanks for the clarification Fishy, Nihilee

To be honest I don't think we know what the stone is. My personal theory, the Thu'um, but it could be a great many things. That's the problem with the tower and stone's, we don't know what it is for all of them.

Also, White-Gold may have been replaced by The Statue of the Avatar of Akatosh at the end of the Oblivion Crisis. (And there was a theory that the Staff of Chaos was a Tower, but it's not mentioned in the Nu-Mantia intercepts so it probably isn't a Tower.)

Is it mentioned anywhere what the stone of Crystal-like-law is?

I think the statue just replaced the second attribute of the tower (closing the barriers) not the actual tower.


I don't think so.

But it was destroyed by the daedra in Oblivion crisis right? Does that mean it was deactivated or is it still active?

The tower was destroyed. I don't know what the stone was, but it should have stopped working no matter what the stone might have been. After all what is use is a stone without a tower?

So destroying a tower=deactivating them?

Makes me wonder why the thalmor didn't destroy the walking the city in Valenwood if it's indeed a tower.

The Statue of Akatosh purportedly is the replacement stone for White-Gold, bringing that tower back up after the loss of the Amulet of Kings brought it down (nothing says a downed tower has to stay down, AFAIK).

I think it's safe to assume that if the tower itself goes down, that's enough to deactivate it regardless of the stone.

Speculation on the forums during Oblivion was that tree-sap went down when it rooted. Though there's no proof of that.

It should be noted too that it was the elves that built (most of) the towers in the first place. I don't think taking them down would be a goal for the Thalmor.

But the thalmor want to unmake reality right? How would they do that except deactivating the tower?

I think elven philosophy has changed since the building of the Towers. Used to be that the elves (and by elves I mean Altmer) thought they should just stoically take and live with what Auriel had chosen to do, however bad they thought it. In the Fourth Era, though, it seems that they've decided to oppose Convention instead of echoing it. Notably, this change seems to have come with the destruction of Crystal-like-Law.

Do we know for what purpose the elf build them?

Yep, that's the case I think. A totally shake-down on culture scale. The Altmers of Summerset Isle are lost due to their lose.

And also, Crystal-like-Law is the Tower representing dracochrysalis. Its breaking down seems to me that it has put Auriel into a state of breaking-chrysalis, and makes Auriel flowing with Time he presents again, if the Thalmor are really followers of him. It's like what Alessia and Alessian Order done to Auriel into Akatosh before the Marukhatis triggered the Dragon Break. The only question is, which path is Auriel flowing through, and what has become of him aftrer he moved out of the crysalis and extended his wings. (It seems he's moving rapidly into the spectrum of Magnus, which is dangerous considering the existence of Legion of Monsters.)

Er.. what? Can you elaborate for me? Who's Marukhati? and what's legion of monster?

The Marukhati Selectives are a faction in the Alessian Order who triggered a Dragon Break to strip all elven feature off Auriel-Akatosh that Alessia created, and through this Dragon Break Akatosh became an independent aspect of the original Time Dragon.

And http://www.imperial-library.info/content/magne-ge-pantheon

Thanks, so the legion of monster is Magne-Ge? The et'ada that went with magnus? Do i get it right?

Some of the Magne-Ge, at best one can say, who are bestewed with the hatred and wrath Magnus has toward the imperfect and hurting Mundus.

I think.