I love the idea of giving my character the last name "Septim", and role playing as some lost, stray Septim, who somehow still survived, keeping the line alive.

Alas, though, I am a Breton, well, I want to be, because I have a great design picked out for a character design. I do not wish to be an Imperial. I already tried that, and hated the way my character looked. I never could get the extremely dark shading effect out of the cheeks.

Tiber Septim

Some question if Talos was a true Nord since his origins say he came from Highrockl to Skyrim and was given a Nord name by the people of Skyrim after saving it. However in game lore tells him as being a Nord. Guess it just depends on how you look at it.

Also t his would probably be better in the Elderscrolls Lore section. Way more knowledgeable people there

Heh yeah,There are some in tamriel that believe he was a breton and was born in high rock.But what i believe most is that he was a Nord or nede from atmora.

I didn't even know that such a section existed!

Talos (his real name, which is Atmoran I think) was a Nede, from Atmora the Cold if I recall correct. Many sources, both in-game and out of game ave said this. Some speculate if he was Breton, but I don't think so.
Bretons are the outcome of Aldmeri and Nede intercourse over the years and I don't think that Talos would be of Mer decend, when everyone calls him a man and Mer lords of Alinor deny his acending.

He was the king of Man, founding the first kingdom of Man by gathering the men of Skyrim and the tribes of Cyrodiil together under one banner.

It doesn't prove anything, but it gives us reason to question who he really was.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/arcturian-heresy-0

In Oblivion, if you had Battlehorn Castle (The Fighter'S Stronghold DLC) the blacksmith there, had a pet dog named Hjalti.

Hjalti sound like a Nord to me. I know they talk of Talos, as I've seen that name other places as well. But from what I can gather, more points to a Nede heritage than a Breton one.
That one story is all I can find that can point to High Rock.

As I said: It doesn't prove anything, but it implies that the Arcturian Heresy is true and the common belief of who Tiber was is false. The Heresy doesn't specify race, but that he is from an Island in the High Rock region which one then can interpret as one wishes when it comes to race.

To try to answer the topic: One of the Septim rulers had a Dunmer mother and was supposed to "age like a Breton" so there is that. In general we do not know for certain what race most of the Septims belonged to other than them(with the exception of one) being human.

Seeing as the races seem more mixed than one would think(they commonly take race after the mother, allowing even Orcs to have Imperial fathers) to me I believe it would be easy to justify a Breton of the Septim lineage, though it would be very unlikely that he/she were in direct lineage.

There are always illegitimate children.

I forget what source mentions it, but several of the Septim emperors were kings of Wayrest before taking the throne, which means they possibly married Bretons and had Breton children. I believe Daggerfall also makes brief mention that all the major royals of the Illiac Bay had some Septim blood.

According to the very beginning of http://www.imperial-library.info/content/wolf-queen, Pelagius Septim II definitely married a Breton, meaning the later emperors Magnus, Cephorus, and Pelagius III were at least part Breton.

That is true. Maybe Talos/Hjalti was born in High Rock from Nede parents?
I got a friend whose father was born in a military camp in Germany, but he's fully Norwegian.
Or perhaps the Heresy is bullcrap, speculation or maybe even mistook some other Tongue for Talos?



Also when I think of it, I think Daggerfall had some letters proving that the late Uriel Septim had an affair with the queen of Daggarfall.
And the line to Talos is not direct, at some place early on the throne was taken in a coup by the Emperors cousin or something.

Maybe, the most important thing is that Tiber can have been a Nord/Atmoran named Talos or someone named Hjalti which later was given the title Talos.

My thoughts exactly really. But maybe they were both Shezzarines, and therefore wrongly mistaken for each other?
I'm simply tossing ideas around now.

Have you read the Heresy? According to it this Hjalti had help of the Underking which would explain his power, but then he betrayed Wulfarth and had to use the Numindium instead. The thing is that the Heresy makes sense, but it cannot be proven.
In the end it is highly possible that several of the Septim bloodline was Bretons, which was the original question and Tibers race doesn't really matter.

Yeah, maybe I got a bit hung up on Talos.
Of course there are Breton Septims, with that much marriages and such. Several of the Emperors have been kings of citystates in High Rock before ascending the throne.
And yes, I've read it. Long time ago though, should check on it.

The man himself.

I kind of like the Idea that Talos was a Breton but spent most of his time in skyrim and was accepted as a Nord and unlike most Bretons he was a warrior not a mage. The old outsider gets embraced in a foreign land story.

Indeed.

Let's not hijack the thread now.
I'm off for homework anyway.

"Hjalti" also had a nordic-style sobriquet as well... "Hjalti Early-Beard".

The Arcutrian Heresy postulates that Talos the god is an amalgam of three people: Hjalti Early-Beard (later AKA Tiber Septim), a Dragonborn, the infamous Wulfharth, another Dragonborn that has existed since the first era, and Tiber's first Imperial Battlemage Zurin Arctus.

Dragonborn != Septim necessarily. Reman I and his descendants were Dragonborn as well. And Saint Alessia (who was actually named "Perrif" IIRC) before him. And of course Wulfharth... crazy elf-hating Wulfharth.

The Heresy doesn't really dispute that Hjalti was blessed by the gods (he was verifiably Dragonborn), just the circumstances of his apotheosis.

I always thought of him as a divine who manifested himself as a man to interfere with mortals and then reascended as a divine somehow. Netherless, his legacy is shrouded in mystery, but his actions and impact on Tamriel can't be denied.