Race of Tiber Septim : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:35 am

Hjalti at least seems to have been a kid from High Rock who made up a fictional history where he was a Nord, and as these things go, the story is indistinguishable from the fact. Plus with the whole enantiomorph thing his race can have multiple correct answers.

There used to be speculation that Zurin was even an elf of some kind originally.

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:24 pm

I just assumed he was a nord

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:19 pm

All we know for certain is that he was of Nedic descent.

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:19 am

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Only because Nedic means pretty much anything you want it to.

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:37 am

It bascially means a Nord, Breton or Imperial.

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:24 pm

Atmorans are not Nedes. The idea of the Nedes coming from Atmora is Septim propaganda.

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:49 pm

Not really. It's used to refer to human back before those categories were clear.

It has three different meanings in various sources. A pre-Ysgramor Atmoran (Frontier, Conquest). A blanket term for any indigenous group of men (Same). And then the likely original meaning, referring to just one Cyrodilic tribe (Adabal-a).

But reputable scholars have included Atmoran migrants among the Nedics. Just an etymology mix-up.

The propaganda is the idea that the first humans came to Tamriel from Atmora, and that Bretons and Cyrodils are chiefly of Nordic stock. This was disproven even before Morrowind came out.

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:33 am

Okay so I got question for the people who think Tiber was a Breton

Out of all the races to pick for his Avatar, why would Lorkhan choose the race of ManMer who are literally half elven bastards?

As one of the Gods who's opposed the Mer and their Gods throughout recorded history, and even before that, why would he pick Bretons?

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:28 am

I think Tiber Septim was a snowman.
Like Robin Hood or William Tell or Arthur of Camelot.

He is likely an amalgation of several rulers who lived at that time.
What makes it interesting from the many times we see this in earth history is mythopoesis.
In a very real sense it doesnt matter anymore. In a very real sense it is all of them who are Tiber.
Hjalti and Stormcrown and all the others.
In the end they became Talos and that overrid all that came before.
Its like a spindle where all the twine turns into a thread.

You can only make sense of it by undoing the rope.

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:34 am

Which only leaves you with thin, useless strands.

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:25 am

So clearly, we should all just be happy with our rope, and get back to tying people up.

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:23 pm

That's the Thalmor understanding, certainly. But that's exactly where they're wrong - the rope isn't for binding, it's a bridge, crossing a deep gorge, and you're being chased by death-cultists who want to rip out your heart.

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:20 pm

So, shouldn't one be more eager to simply cut the rope off rather than taking time to untie it?

Jus sayin

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:11 pm

Not the way it works. Lorkhan doesn't pick anything. Tiber Septim picked himself.

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:53 pm

And if he was a Nord, it's more probably he went to mantle Shor, in some degree.

The war of Ehlnofey were led between Shor and Auri-El, not the "whole" Lorkhan and "whole" Aka that took part in the Creation.

Lorkhan just loves his Creating the Mundus, loves all that from the Creation, man or mer alike.

Just by tradition in Tamriel men have a more probable tendency to love the Mundus.

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:01 am

The one thing not said here: Gortwog wasn't half-human. Tiber Septim became an Orc for a span. Mentioned this before.

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:25 pm

Did he shout himself Orsimer, is it a CHIM thing, or both?

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:28 pm

No. Surgery. Of the mythological kind.

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:40 am

This makes me wonder why he likes Trinimac so much.

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:15 am

Purposely and by design.
Interesting.

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:33 pm

At this point, nothing about T-money surprises me anymore.

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:47 pm

And so the 'everybody is Talos' theory becomes slightly more correct

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:58 pm

Talos Imperium Est; Talos Delenda Est.

» Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:33 am

If we accept "Arcturian Heresy" as the basic (though not absolute) source of Talos origin, then we still have a question about Talos of Atmora. He did exist because we have Elk's drawing. :smile:

And also Greybeards' stories. Maybe Hjalti was in fact from Atmora? I don't like the idea that the only Atmoran element in Talos was half-dead Wulfharth. :smile:

Could Talos of Atmora be in another reality (where Vivec was god), which fused with Hjalti's by Dragon Break?

It greatly reminds me Vehk-and-Vehk situation.
Voted for Nord, anyway. =P

» Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:51 pm

"Talos was a nord, whose skill in battle was un-matched!"
Heimskr says that, and i believe him