While initially that sounds good I will say that some caves look just too good to not be able to see them. I think what you say is valid but if fires and candles will be taken away then I think some sort of light source still needs to be there.

Not sure on the shadows. Will be interesting to find out, though. The lighting shaders are dated in the game, they're similar to the ones used in Oblivion. Haven't really been improved much. Even though the renderer is much improved, the backing game engine needs to undergo a huge overhaul. Preferably a full rewrite.. There's no reflected light, which is a bit depressing. Light does reflect off of surfaces. >.<


It'll make you harder to see, yes. Whether they see you or not depends on a lot of different factors. It will make you more difficult to see, though.

This looks great. Can't wait to try it.

Hey Pluto, you working on this has finally convinced me to try this instead of the No Tint mod. Might I request it in BAIN format?

I'm sorry to be a bother, but if you don't mind, would someone please explain what the console command "teofis" does in layman's terms? And would using it eliminate a lot of what this mod offers?

I just ask because my monitor is very old... and even on its highest gamma settings, it has a very hard time seeing anything in the shadows

Thank you!

I switched over to version 1.5 this from ENBSeries based Skyrim Enhanced Shaders today. The previous versions of Natural Colors were too stark looking, but I love the way 1.5 renders softly now. I actually added nandykins Natural Colors post processing effect on top of this to get the white point warmer. I love the overall look of the two of them paired together. If someone could could add an true HDR post processing shader to this setup, I'd be in heaven.

Can probably do that. Not sure if I'll get it done tonight, though. Btw, I updated Wo3E compatibility. Doesn't change the lists any on my side, so it was fairly easy to update.

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I don't exactly know what the in-game effect is... but the function is toggle end of frame imagespace effects. Imagespaces are the in-game files which determine what brightness, saturation, contrast, tinting, and HDR effects to use and at what strengths and colors. So I'd assume it'd toggle all of that that off.. Not sure o.o It could just toggle off the modifiers (how the eyes adjust to the sun, and etc).

Can you turn up the brightness in-game to compensate for the dark shadows? My only solution to offer. :/ Optionals will be available, at least for interiors, soon. Doing those now actually.

Thank you

Yep, everything is as bright as it will go. May just be my monitor. No worries.

Do you happen to know if toggling it off would affect any of your modifications, though?

I have honestly no idea. All I can say is try it, see what the picture looks like.

If it doesn't work properly, toggle it back on or reload the save. I'd test it, but I'm on my brick of a laptop and it takes ~5-10 minutes to just load up skyrim.

So I've finally tried it out and I pretty much love it - especially how it's very dark on overcast nights (as much as I love my fantasy atmosphere shot ), but on nights with the stars out or aurora's the ambient lighting is reasonably lighting the ground at just the right color and darkness. I still prefer the slight blue-shift in the distance and some subtle saturation boosts I had with my FXAA config, but I ended up just combining the two together and making adjustments so they work nice. Very subtle change from just the mod versus my FXAA tweakings, but I've got it to a point where I feel like it looks really great without being over-saturated or too colorful or losing atmosphere.

Now I've run into a pretty bad issue however - all clouds for whatever reason (not overcast, just normal in the distance clouds, especially during sunrise/set) are very very dark. This looks very odd backdropped against a normally bright clear sky and distant mountains. Any fix? It happens even if I don't have FXAA turned on.

derp. Already answered a while ago...

Got it, thanks! I definitely know how that feels. My PC does the same for Oblivion. I'm shocked that Skyrim works, haha!

Oh, and should I load this after PISE in the load order? Thank you!


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Haha, no worries. That did help answer it, thank you. I hadn't seen the answer before. So it's best to not togglle everything off. Thank you

Won't matter for the load order, tbh. It'll conflict with the darker nights optional, but nothing in the main PISE.

Korjax; not sure. It could be some of the interpolation between the dark night clouds.. but I don't believe so? Haven't seen that issue at all. And that's only at nights. All the weather files are fine, I checked those.. Not really sure.

Here's the issue in action: http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb134/KorJax/TESV2012-01-0523-58-27-97.png

Thats with nothing enabled (lighting wise) except the mod. I don't have anything that alters clouds either :\ I wonder if me having HDR on could cause it?

Hmm. I'll pass it on to 747823 and see what he thinks. I think it's interpolating oddly as it gets closer to nighttime, and the darkness of the clouds will need to be toned down. We'll see. Check in and we'll see what happens.

I've been using this with the no tint mod for about a week now. The results are beautiful but I must test this on it's own then notint on its own to see how they differ in the 3 combinations. Untill then I was using the FXAA stuff. My question is regarding using post-processing as well as this. Then ENB series stuff is supposed to help with frame rates and stabiity, so seems useful. Would there be any point having this mod for all it's goodness then using a post process shader anyway?

I assume this mod wont conflict with Confidents enb visual mod?


http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5253#

I've heard of some graphical glitches when used with ENB. Whether you would have it? I have no idea. It's been very mixed reports, 1 in 3 or so seems to have issues with ENB + this. It's usually the anti-freeze part, not the rest.

Torrello; the difference is that this uses the game's built-in lighting shaders. I personally had frame loss with the ENB.. I'm on a low-end computer though, too.

As far as lighting goes, if the injector can imitate the same lighting schemes as this mod, the only advantage this one has is that it affects game calculations (ie, sneaking and etc). The other is that most other profiles can't adjust color palettes individually. Some can through more complex techniques, but most profiles won't.

This mod is so damn awesome, when your playing a thief or assassin kind of character.

thanx plutoman!

I currently have a mix between this and some subtle FXAA tweaks and it works great. Great thing about this mod is that it can tell the difference between overcast lighting conditions and stuff like clear lighting conditions at night time, while FXAA just makes a blanket change. However there's some color tweaks I really like in FXAA so I still use a small bit of it in combonation with this, and I think it looks great I'll probably post some pics of my setup.

Does this use the same method of affecting interiors the same way that True Darker Dungeons does?
Or is it a different method altogether that doesn't interfere with quests and radiant quests?

It uses the safe components of my true darker dungeons, I had edited cells to add inheritance data to lighting templates (which worked well) but in contrast, darkening through imagespaces, removing bloom, and other components could achieve a similar effect without the edited cells. Since I managed to achieve the game calculations for light levels to be 0 in both cases, both end up being equally effective. So this is more of a successor to it.

There'll be no issues at all with quests.

Excellent.
Did you ever find out what the cause was, with the old mod?

I'd love to see those pics.
The reason I switched to non post-processing is that exact issue with light when sneaking and how the game calculates it. I always play sneaky characters so this is important for me

Maybe it's just me being picky or oversensitive, but I feel I get a decent FPS loss when using ENB-based mods. It would be a little dissapointing to lose all the customization, but if I can get good FPS and keep the look that would be great

I'll definitely have to give this a try next time I play.

Does anyone know how this mod works with http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=85?