Right... well, I was hoping to completely avoid having to make this thread and be able to take care of things on my own, but that's not going to happen. I am at the point now where my mind is seriously about to [censored] break if the [censored] I have to deal with does not stop.

To get a bit specific, some of you may remember that from March to mid summer of 2011, I made about three threads concerning a friend of mine. The first one was about a disorder she had that, at the time, I knew absolutely nothing about (since than, I have become a grand master at it's knowledge). The second as about sleep paralysis, as that was another disorder I needed to learn about for her. The third was just me freaking out over a noise I heard on the phone one morning.

Anyways, this friend of mine whom we will call Jane for now has told me alot about her old friends that she missed. I saw their Facebook accounts, and old conversations she had with them. Some of them even talked to her from time to time. Jane told me all about her enemies and the several confrantations she had with them. She told me about being mobbed, about people trying to [censored] her over the past year during the time I knew her, and all sorts of other things...

...and than... yesterday, she told me that all of it was a lie. Just about every single thing was a lie, excluding her feelings for me and the story of her ex-boyfriend (I was actually the reason why they broke up, as their relationship was clearly not doing her any good) The cold realization that I had been stressing out over [censored] fairy tales swept over me.

The thing is, she had managed to convince herself that alot of these things were true. As I mentioned, I saw conversations with her old friends. All of them were created by her, and she acted out every one of them. She even acted out enemies at times.



Now, it is quite obvious that she needs some [censored] therapy ([censored], I might need some to with the amount of damage that has been done to me mentally from all of this), but you know what her [censored] mom says to her? To this person that really needs people, now more than ever, to help get her fixed before she grows up to be a psycopath or just flat out kills herself? The idiot says, "It's because your not praying enough! You aren't thankful enough."

So pretty much, her parents refuse to give her the [censored] help she needs. I have no idea what to do, but I sure as hell can't leave her alone, even if that would probably take a massive burden off my shoulders. I am the only person she has to go to, (I am not being arrogant, this is a fact that I have tried to change so many times), so if I give up on her, than I am 95% certain she will die by her own hands.

Therefore, I desperately plee to all of you to give me guidance. I have already been to a school councillor (they were the ones that told her mom about it), but at this point I am at a loss. I don't know what to do at all, since I can't take her to a therapist myself, and her parents refuse to. Jane does not want to go back to the councillor to see what to do next, out of fear that they will think she is being neglected (I honestly think she is), and I am pretty much the only person carrying her burden.

To top it off, Jane is constantly telling herself negative things that are sure as hell not going to have any effect.

So please...someone give me some good advice, something that can save two lives instead of one.

Are her parents part of any religious group in particular that doesnt believe in mental illness, psychiatry or psychology? The attitude her mother has is very dangerous.

I myself am religious and I have friends with mental illnesses. Most of them see a psychologist of some sort and get professional help, because thats what they need. I think simply saying "pray" is incredibly stupid. Beliefs in miracles and stuff aside, if a person hasa mental health problem, they need to seek help from professionals. If its that much of an issue, then there are plenty of religious mental-health specialists around for her. That attitude of her mother will only make things worse, so if you can, you seriously need to talk to them about it. Make it clear that you're worried about her mental health and that you believe that something needs to be done.

Its obvious this girl needs help, but if her parents are completely unwilling to listen to reason, then you may not be able to do much. If she's under 18 or whatever there may be some sort of youth service you can contact to discuss this, if not, then you need to talk to your friend yourself to get something done.


Also something maybe worth considering, is she perhaps lying about "making it up"?

Nah, definetly not. I verified everything. She actually confessed to me after I was about to confront someone that knows one of her 'enemies' (who she turned out to be playing as herself), and after she did that, all attacks from said enemy came to an end. All those friend accounts are no longer active either.

Hell, the last piece of evidence I need is that one of her friends that supposedly died came back from the dead a month or two ago, saying "It was just a prank my uncle did." I already knew something was not right when I read that.

so the girl is unstable and you want to change that. people rarely change (new leaf), but it can happen. but they usually have to want the change themselves. i recommend searching other websites dedicated to psychology or something, rather than bring it to a forum full of randoms. but she is trouble. only stay if you truely love her. but be prepared for trouble. you obviously care about her and try so if she was to kill herself you should not carry the burden. but once again this is a sensitive matter and you should just research psychology and whatever else. either that or just accept her for what she is, which is impossible with her lying to you like that.

For starters i say good on you for staying with her and actually wanting to help, most people would say bugger this for a game of soldiers and make a run for it, unfortunately in most cases it needs family intervention, they need to talk to her doctor, or organise help through a psychologist or psychiatrist, if youve spoken to a school councillor, then id suggest maybe doing so again, i know the procedures in Australia, but not for the US, if she's going to their school and again i dont know your procedures, but usually they have a duty of care, and if they a student with a psychological problem that need assesemant, then they need to alert the parents.

If the parent are refusing to be helpful in any way, or maybe its a money issue, this can lead into decent costs, but if the parents are refusing then maybe some sort of social services need to be alerted to the fact, and if your school councillor knows its a problem then you have someone in a position of responsibility to back you up, its nice to know you care enough to even bother, in alot of cases people dont get treated till they do something drastic enough to bring the problem to the authorities attention, which is why the system is so broken, i wish you good luck.

Cut ties. You are dealing with religion (in its ugly form) and mental disorders aplenty. The only thing you can really do is get her to admit herself to a mental institution.

Everyone has problems, some more severe than others. When the problems aren't yours and the solutions are out of your hands, what can you do? You're not going to fix her and frankly, I don't see why you'd still want to be with her, but since you're persistent, do the only thing you can logically do - Be there for her.

Tell her she has a good imagination and should write down these "events" in a Journal or in the form of a storybook.
If you hang around with her in person and she hasn't shown any signs of being dangerous to you, don't act like she is because she'll just get suspisious and possibly paranoid, then... But yeah, if you hang around with her take her to a doctors one day, just you and her, don't tell her religious cooked parents. Hang around with her more often and take her out into the real world with real people, this should take her mind off the imaginative stories she makes up and hopefully creates real and happier memories.
She may just have been alone for too long that she's been able to convince herself of these stories but by being with her and giving her new memories she may just forget that part of herself and move on.

You should verify that. Confront them, just begin a normal conversation and try to know as much as you can about her (from a different point of view).

Dude, I hate to sound cold-blooded but since you asked for advice, I'm going to give you some the cold hard reality: She's going down in flames and taking you with her. Everyone has to take responsibility for their own decisions. You have to look out for your own mental, physical and emotional health and it sounds to me like she's doing you in. It sounds to me like you've been the best friend anyone could possibly ever be and she had paid that back with lies, false drama and mental anguish. She has severe problems that you can't fix. You've done everything you can possibly do for her and probably more besides. Her parents have been warned. The school is aware that something is horribly wrong. If she has no one other than you, there's probably a damn good reason for that. Her parents may need a cold, hard wake up call, perhaps, but again, there's nothing more you can do. If you continue to "be there" for her, she's just going to feed you more BS and still not get the help she needs.

Do yourself a favor - just walk away. She hurt you with her lies and made up angst. People who are truly suicidal don't talk about it. They just do it. Those who talk about it just want attention but don't really want to die. But no matter what happens, even if she were to find the guts to commit suicide, it is NOT YOUR FAULT. There is no excuse for her to have made up the BS she did. She pissed on your friendship when she did that.

It bears repeating: she has problems you CANNOT fix. She needs professional help. And that's on her parents. If they choose to ignore the warnings, there's nothing you can do about it.

Good luck!

Sounds a bit like that documentary Catfish. Pretty [censored] up. Personally, I'd tell her to go and seek help, if her mum won't let her....there's not much you can do I guess. How old is she anyway?

The OP's profile age says he's 16 so I'd assume she's roughly in the same age range.

I seem to have missed the last paragraph, but if she doesn't want to go to the councillor and you can't take her to a therapist then your "job" is done, someone not willing to help themselves isn't worth the help of others, if you really feel it's your burden to carry then give her one final chance to see that councillor repeatedly until she is mental fit or you will turn you back on her.
It might sound harsh but really that's what it takes to get through to some people, maybe even what you need to see she's a lost cause and a damage to yourself.

This is going to sound really insensitive (and I suppose it kind of is), but you're dealing with the crazy religious fanatics on one hand and a psychopath on the other. By taking the problem to the school councillor and sticking around trying to help the girl for over a year, you have done everything a person in your position can be reasonably expected to do. This is a problem you cannot fix. If you can't get her to go visit the councillor (or another professional) again, it would be best to just break off all contact. It'll be bad for her, but she's messed up already anyway. At least you'll be able to get your own life back on track.

edit: toned it down a bit to avoid offending people.

From what you've described (and my recollection of the previous threads), I'd say that you've done everything possible. She's got something up with her, and needs formal diagnosis and treatment by a mental health professional. WIth this kind of situation, you just can't provide that for her. All you can do is to continue to voice your concern with her mental state to the School's guidance counselors. You aren't in a position to pressure her parents into pursuing treatment, and I doubt you have the ways and means available to you to procure treatment for her yourself. The school counselors on the other hand, can provide some basic counseling to this girl, and can work through the proper legal channels to secure treatment for her if her parents won't yeild to pressure. (They can also bring that pressure to bear with more efficacy than you can)