Blimey - where have you been? The game's everywhere

Personally I'm waiting, but lots of people have it

That would be fine with me, if true; however, I doubt it is, because at that point there would be no reason to show a 1/100 value on skills. Instead a % to next tier would be more applicable. eg. Progress to Journeyman Rank 68%

You know, I never really looked... Let me check.

If true it is a brokenly bad system. Talk about pointless grinding, yeesh grinding up 1 handed to 100 for no benefit except it gets you a few levels and perks for your destruction skill. That would be moronic. I kind of suspect it is true.

Edit to add: Think about normal leveling as well, you hit level 2 because you improved one handed, heavy armor, and smithing but you only get 1 perk so you really only improved 1 thing to level, and the rest of your progress was mostly pointless?

I'd appreciate that.

I'll be playing the PC version, so if this is true, it's not like I'll have to deal with it forever. It just seems very silly and I have to still doubt this was done.

u get better at skills by investing in perks not by the number value of your skill

I wouldn`t know as that doesn`t interest me.Anyone who buys a pirate copy deserves all they get for buying an inferior copy, I hope it fcuks his system up to be honest, these kind of people make me sick, and should hang their heads in shame for cheating Bethesda out of money.You`re obviously one of these sad an pathetic individuals otherwise you`ve wouldn`t have known that.So keep your opinions to yourself please, cos I ain`t interested in anything Pirate.

That was presumptuous and totally uncalled for to be honest. Just because he knows information that has been leaked that does not make him a pirate.

Iain, the game has been out for over a week. Reviewers have early copies. Pirates have pirated copies. GameStop employees have stolen copies.

Also, you call the perceived system that we are discussing a "problem" that developers would have picked up on by now; then you propose that skill ranks obviously ("well, duh") wouldn't make a difference without perks. You're contradicting yourself a bit, and maybe failing to understand the topic. Take a second to read the thread again, and tone down the venom, if you would.

We're talking about a serious deviation from everyone's expectations (and from previous titles) as it pertains to a very central aspect of the game's mechanics.

Now I'm certain that you are just trolling.
The info about pirated game is floating all over the internet and THIS very forum for about a week. All major sites posted that info, all Skyrim forums also AND you are posting in SPOILERS section, which is full of topic from people, who watched streams of the leaked game and I'm to believe you had no idea about it

And btw : If I had the pirated game I wouldn't spend my time on the forums but actually I would be playing it you know.

EDIT :
Look what I found : http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1247966-notice-on-leaked-gameplay-videos/
OFFICIAL sticky posted by the administrator of these forums ABOUT PIRATED GAME

Iain...

1.) Randalf the Pink made no indication that he's pirated the game. People with "knowledge" regarding one aspect of the game or another could just as easily have seen a gameplay video, played at E3, or received a reviewer copy.

2.) Even if he had, calling someone (even someone you simply suspect is a "thief") a sad and pathetic individual is rude, and defies social protocol and the Terms of Service. Furthermore, suggesting that he keep his opinions to himself when you - to a much less socially-acceptable effect - brazenly decline to do the same, is deeply hypocritical, and hurts your social credibility and the likeliness that others will take you and your own opinions seriously.

3.) People who - one way or another - acquire the game before release date as you suspect Randalf (and myself, whom you made similar assumptions about in another thread) as having done are not necessarily less likely to buy a copy of the game from Bethesda. I may have said quite a lot about my experiences with the game (which, again, do not necessarily mean that I have acquired a pirated copy), but you can rest assured that on release day, I'll be in the midnight line to get my retail copy at full price. I want my disc, I want my box, I want my manual, and I want my official strategy guide. And I want to support Bethesda, and their eight years of work.

All the info on this spoiler forum right now comes from "pirate games" and leaked footage. The rest of us still wants to know.

And if he actually spent at least 2 minutes to see my posts he would have seen how many questions I have asked about the game. If I had it I would rather provide answers. But for some people simple logic is beyond their reach.

Okay, it's kind of hard to tell, I'm fairly certain he didn't pick a one handed perk, and his damage with his Steel Mace (fine) seems to go up from 13 to 18 over the course of two levels. Again, I could be wrong about that.

Well from the other thread we know that this is mostly false. Weapon damage goes up with skill and Magicka costs go down with skill, no perks involved.

Jury still out on Alchemy and Smithing however.

Thanks to Greenvise for checking (not that you could, because you don't have the game of course) and denying this rumor in the other topic, which is now closed.

If moderators want to close this topic now too, that would make sense. It's basically the same thing.

Nice attempt at subtlety

Okay everbody I apologise and will tone down my venom towards pirates, people like that make me sick that`s all.As for the subject in hand, Skills no longer apply in Skyrim, so if anyone wastes their time investing 100 points into one handed without taking a single perk will have wasted their time.As the only way to increase damage output now is to invest in perks like Armsman.

Already proven not to be the case from information in the manual and an in game example. Raising your one-handed skill does increase weapon damage.

Even if that were true, and I don't believe that it is, you wouldn't be wasting your time. If you want additional perks, even for other skills, you're going to have to grind up other skills eventually. My thief is eventually going to be running through old dungeons whacking enemies with a warhammer. It doesn't make sense, but I'll need perks to spend on my thieving skills.

Gross, this is true and I didn't think about it till now. I for one will not be grinding with warhammers/spamming destruction spells to get to level 70. Time for a new character for me in that case. Blades all the way!

Or the console at that point.

I dont know about Alchemy but I have confirmation that the "skill" level of smithing allows you to improve the armor even more. For example a Smith skill level 30 can make a dwarven armor the same as a smith level 90, but the level 30 will have a "superior dwarven armor" once he improves it with additional metal while the 90 skill pts smith will be able to improve it to a "legendary dwarven armor" with a significantly better armor rating.

Leveling up several skills to only improve one does not make any sense to me. I don't think Beth would have done that either, so I am going to go out on a limb here and say that there is a basic increase in damage/ability with skill increases, and that the perks are major increases and special abilities that further develop the associated skill and make your character unique.

Skills will still have some value.. Otherwise the Todd would have declared them "Redundant" and cleaned house

Seriously. I often question the integrity of Bethesda's gameplay decisions. Skyrim is the perfect example of a needless and pointless practice of "whitewashing". That being said if they put out a system where the skills had no value they would never live it down. Even they have more talent at gameplay building than that.