After just having ANOTHER CTD, with NO mods installed besides hearthfire and dawnguard, it made me realize that skyrim is not good matter fact would have been forgotten in gaming history as another buggy game if it did not have "The elderscrolls" attached to it.

1. One of the buggiest games i have EVER played, I really do not saving a lot in games, as I feel its a better challenge but in a game like skyrim I am saving every ten minutes or so afraid of getting a CTD or crashing and having to restart all over again.

2. Exploring, while skyrim is very beautiful I am feeling exploring in skyrim is not a rewarding as the past two games, while the places are beautiful there is no special items or equipment or real incentives of going ANYWHERE besides sightseeing, which isnt a BAD thing but I feel there is NO reward for exploring.

3. Killcams SO frequent.

4. Mods, not a player issue, I believe the lack of interesting or intrest in mods is not the players fault but due to how buggy this game is half work half dont, half cause CTDS. Not all mods are bad it just feels like a huge risk having to download one unlike the past TES.

5. Spells/Mage. Lack of "Interesting spells", also very weak.

6. The lack of creepiness, this is a personal one imo but oblivion and morrowind had a lot more creepier places and sights than skyrim.

7. Horses are slow

8.Side quest, almost all I played so far that did not push the main story line are very lacking and uninteresting.

9. Very easy, seems like most things die in 1-3 hits not even using exploits.

10. Exploits, very easily exploitable even when you dont want to exploit.

I can name more but I dont want to any more here are some positives.

1. Graphics, very beautiful game even when quality is turned down.

2. Foxes, still mysterious...

3. Dragons better than oblivion gates. Nuff said

4.lol my dog a rodeisan ridgeback and lab mix always licks the screen when a dog npc is on the screen! to cute lol

Skyrim will become a good game when The Elder Scrolls VI is released. It is known.

If you crash constantly, I can see why you are disappointed but that has not been my experience. I have had exactly one CTD in 540 hours of play with usually about 20 mods active.
Skyrim may have a few problems but instability is not one of them, at least in my game.

Let's see, one [censored] on the forums says its a bad game.

100,000 other people say it's one of if not THE best game they've ever played.

Hmm...

It is known.

One of the best games I ever played. True story.

It's a terribil game.

I wanna meet these people and have a debate with them, I can prove skyrim has more faults than they can say positives.

lmao This!

I know this doesn't help you, but.... honestly, I think this is the Beth game I own that's given me the least trouble. And yeah, I use mods. (not extensive ones, but still a good number) Fallout 3 and Oblivion both gave me more issues with CTDs and things like corrupted world cells.


Again, personal preference issue..... I find exploring to be great. But, then, I don't define the success or interest in exploring by "I found a hand-placed uber item".



Partially, this goes back to the CTD/bug thing - I'm not having as many as you. So, I don't see the constant crashing (which I'm not having) as a drawback of mods. (I do know it's a risk - some of the mods that I tried in Oblivion did hideous things to the stability of that game.)

And on the "lack of interesting mods"..... it's hard to remember, since OB now has years and years of mods to go through, but mods start out slow. It takes time for people to figure out the really ambitious stuff. It was the same with Fallout 3. Heck, we're not even a year in on Skyrim.



Hmm. If you say so.


Wouldn't know - I don't use horses. Didn't use them in Oblivion either - after that one quest that hands you a horse, I never touched one again. The experience was terrible.
(and that doesn't actually matter, I wouldn't use horses anyway - there's too many things I do in the game that would require me to dismount every 5 feet. Picking herbs, mining ore, combat, looting things, etc. Using a horse would slow me down, even if it was really fast. )


Well that's not my experience at all - I had quite a bit of challenge in fights playing Skyrim. This is, of course, very dependant on your build. And it's also dependant on that "e" word you used. Which leads to....


...this one. Which I don't agree with at all. "even when you don't want to exploit"? For one, if it's something that doesn't take conscious effort, is it really an "exploit"? (I mean, an exploit is some screwed up thing that you deliberately set out to do. Like that Ohgma book glitch)

But even ignoring that, I've never agreed with the people who've been saying "Oh, you just get infinitely overpowered by playing normally!" I'd guess my "play normally" isn't the same as theirs, because my characters haven't gotten overpowered, and certainly not quickly. And that's without deliberate "gimping"



In the end, many of those come off as personal preferences. Not things that make Skyrim "not a good game".
(Like.... just because I don't like several of the actors, the genre, and the soundtrack of a great movie, that doesn't make it a "bad movie", it just makes it a movie I don't like. There's a difference.)

It's not " THE BEST " but it ranks pretty high on my list, to date I have only had minor issues that are usually caused by something I did which can be solved by either a reload or me fixing it myself I'm not saying that it's perfect but it is by no means the worst out there nor is it even in the " worst list " in my books

Its not the worst but its bad. If superman 64 was named TES:64 every one would love it.

Basically, this.

The Oblivion forums suffered the exact same thing up until Skyrim came out.

We should all just stop letting nostalgia cloud our judgements and accept that all TES games have their pros and cons.

For me, Skyrim was a step in the right direction. It wasn't a Morrowind leap, but it was a leap. There were less generic environments, the levelling system was infinitely better, a lot of annoyances that were in the previous 2 games had been removed, the creature list has expanded, more armour (albeit less weapons), perks, sprinting, improved dialogue between NPCs, smithing, cooking and other interactions you can perform, dual wielding, horse combat... I could make a massive list here, but you should get the picture by now.

And every TES and Bethesda Fallout game has suffered from crashes. It's the price to pay for having a huge open world that's filled with many different objects. Name one other game where you can travel for miles and pick up even the little things such as plates. They'd probably have to dumb down the game world if they wanted to fix the crashes completely, and my response to that is HELL NO.

mostly cons though.

Game of the Year 2011

What are you talking about? Exploration in Skyrim is more rewarding than anything due to more interesting dungeons, way more random encounters, etc. It is one of the most well-crafted open world games to date.

Seriously?

Despite spending a lot off time on this board slagging off the crappy writing, quest design, excessive scripting and generally badly put together nature of the game content, I'd have to say on my PC CTDs are rare (though I don't have Dawnguard). It may be buggy like Bethesda games tend to be (and you kind of expect some bugs given the open world nature), but the game seems to run pretty ok for me. And that's with at least 20 mods and counting running.

And I'd say the exploration aspect is one thing they got right. It's a lovely game to explore.

Many games of the year should never have been game of the year.

See what I bolded and underlinded? You now have no posting power in this topic. Dont talk till you raise your hand.

Skyrim aint one of them. It deserves it 1000 times over.

Says who exactly?

Your just blowing off steam, come now Skyrim is not as bad as your making it sound. Sorry to hear that your having a hard time with the game but it's just Technical difficulties that your having, could be your PC that's causing the headache. Did you try everything you could to solve the issue or did you give up after 20minutes of trying? All this is,is a rant topic because your having some issues, had the game not CTD on you then this topic wouldn't exists. Try having a read through the technical problems boards to see if you can narrow down what exactly is happening, make a new topic to see if someone can help as it stands right now your just wasting time making a rant topic when you could be trying to fix the issue

Although I agree with a lot, perhaps half of your points, it's still one of my favourite games. There's no perfect game, subjective complaints and faults as well as objective ones will always be present.

So his opinion is invalid?

I've been playing the ES series since Arena, and Skyrim is my favorite entry thus far. I've played for about 250 hours so far and have been completely entertained - I've loved my time with it (although, I've found the DLC's up to this point to be completely mediocre.)

1: Skyrim
2: Morrowind (very, very close 2nd)
3: Daggerfall
4: Arena
5: Oblivion

That's the order in which I've enjoyed the main entries from most to least, and keep in mind I haven't "disliked" any of them. That's my opinion though, I don't expect it to be identical to your own. You are delusional if you think you'll somehow "Convince" those people who have had an absolute blast playing the game that they're "Wrong" based on your erroneous bulleted list of generic talking points (that can, and has, been applied to every ES since Daggerfall), and even more so if you think your entirely subjective notion of this game's quality is somehow more valid, unique, and/or insightful than any other member's opinion here. These threads are a dime a dozen, and have been long before Skyrim and will be long after.