Sneakdaggers + bows enough? : V

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:24 pm

In oblivion, the above setup was good if you were a masochist. I am planning to make an assassin/thief character whose main combat means would boil down to daggers (preferably from stealth) and bows (also preferably from stealth). But when facing multiple opponents, will this setup be of any viability? Shadow warrior, from sneak, if I read it correctly would allow you to stealth during combat, allowing for chain stabs? Would dual daggers benefit from some of the one-handed perks?

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:01 pm

I'm hoping that the 20% increase to one-handed damage and the dual-wield bonus applies.

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:02 pm

I'll also build this kind of character and from the perks I've seen yes it will be viable but it could be a rough start.

It's all about avoiding confrontation early in the game I think and building on your Stealth tree.

» Mon May 07, 2012 1:29 pm

I think the perks for daggers specifically are all in the sneak tree. There are a couple of 'speed of dual-wielded strikes' perks in the one-handed tree.

I plan to divide and conquer large groups. Lure them off into side passages and the like for individual stealthy kills.

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:43 pm

Yea I know the dagger perks are all in the Sneak tree, I was just looking for other options if the gameplay "forces" you to go frontal as the dagger bonuses from sneak do not apply in those circumstances.

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:45 pm

Well, as a sneaky character you have to avoid direct confrontation whenever possible, thats about it I guess.

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:30 pm

Well, as a sneaky character you have to avoid direct confrontation whenever possible, thats about it I guess.

Goes without saying, but if you end up facing 5 opponents at once, you're not given the option to do that. Unless the mechanics are vastly different.

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:59 pm

I just hope they work the stealth mechanics better this time around . I hated aggroing a whole group when i shot a guy from a mile a way while stealthed . I can understand them spreading out, or taking cover, but no way can i believe they instantly located me .

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:01 pm

I'll have my long blade with me, just in case.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:43 pm

I'll have my long blade with me, just in case.

Not very useful if you're not skilled with it.

» Mon May 07, 2012 11:46 pm

This has probably been asked before but I'm going to be that guy, do the dagger perks in stealth stack with one handed weapons perks?

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:25 pm

Not very useful if you're not skilled in using it.

I think I'll have to use it from time to time, and so that I will have some skill too. While I'll be trying to rely on the bow, I often end up doing some sword fighting in previous games. Maybe I'm just not good enough as a stealth character.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:12 pm

This has probably been asked before but I'm going to be that guy, do the dagger perks in stealth stack with one handed weapons perks?

I don't see why not. The perk that ups the damage done by one-handed weapons will apply to daggers as that's what there classed as in Skyrim and then the damage multiplier on a back-stab should come straight from the hit value of whatever dagger your using at the time.

» Mon May 07, 2012 11:34 pm

I'm going to have a bow for a long range attack and if i know i won't be able to sneak up on someone. My dual daggers will be for sneak attacks and quick and simple combat. Then i'll also carry with me dual swords, so if i get in a rather large fight, i have weapons made for it. And because the dual swords would also be one hand, i'll have all the perks and they'll do a ton of damage.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:05 am

I'm going to have a bow for a long range attack and if i know i won't be able to sneak up on someone. My dual daggers will be for sneak attacks and quick and simple combat. Then i'll also carry with me dual swords, so if i get in a rather large fight, i have weapons made for it. And because the dual swords would also be one hand, i'll have all the perks and they'll do a ton of damage.

I like this

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:49 pm

I'm going to have a bow for a long range attack and if i know i won't be able to sneak up on someone. My dual daggers will be for sneak attacks and quick and simple combat. Then i'll also carry with me dual swords, so if i get in a rather large fight, i have weapons made for it. And because the dual swords would also be one hand, i'll have all the perks and they'll do a ton of damage.

Sounds good. I'll try it.

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:42 pm

That would be the disadvantage of a character that specializes in sneak attacks. You will be a terror if you have preemptive, but weaker in direct confrontation.

Maybe paralyze poison to disable some of them?

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:20 pm

dagger stealth kills are almost instant death and bows are as powerful as any other weapon

you will be fine

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:47 pm

I believe stealthing in combat only works if the enemy is some distance from you otherwise it would be quite overpowered. Also I think daggers would be enough, they may not hit hard but they are the fastest weapons to swing which somewhat makes up for it.

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:24 am

dagger stealth kills are almost instant death and bows are as powerful as any other weapon

you will be fine

Almost? From what I've seen they're typically instant kills provided you get the jump on someone - they just trigger the death animation.

To be perfectly honest, I'd rather have daggers supplemented with poisons for direct confrontation rather than swords.

» Mon May 07, 2012 12:18 pm

I believe stealthing in combat only works if the enemy is some distance from you otherwise it would be quite overpowered. Also I think daggers would be enough, they may not hit hard but they are the fastest weapons to swing which somewhat makes up for it.

I never liked daggers because they don't hit hard, but never thought about speed making up for it. It would be interesting to see if it works with multiple enemies.

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:56 am

I just hope they work the stealth mechanics better this time around . I hated aggroing a whole group when i shot a guy from a mile a way while stealthed . I can understand them spreading out, or taking cover, but no way can i believe they instantly located me .

They demonstrated this in the one of their demo videos. An archer hit target one from range and the second target did not come instantly for him. He was then able to shoot the second target as well.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:32 pm

They demonstrated this in the one of their demo videos. An archer hit target one from range and the second target did not come instantly for him. He was then able to shoot the second target as well.

This is quite encouraging. Then stealth character with a bow will be very interesting.

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:22 pm

Ill be mostly daggers and bow also for my assassin char.but Im going to perk alittle in one-handed... max armsmen, max duel fury,not sure if ill put any more perks in one-handed tree. I think the bonus's of poison's will help
the most with daggers if it comes down to melee.Since poisons last more then just one hit now and with duel fury being able hit faster with each hand,I can see poison stacking(depending on the poison) having some pretty awesome out comes. :bonk:

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:29 am

Almost? From what I've seen they're typically instant kills provided you get the jump on someone - they just trigger the death animation.

To be perfectly honest, I'd rather have daggers supplemented with poisons for direct confrontation rather than swords.

also this

since daggers are fast weapons and poison seems to last longer on the weapon now (from the perk info) I think super stealth characters will be not only viable but actually fun this time