Now I have been thinking for some time, and it seems that all games that started to use Steam in their sequels, like Call of Duty, Total War series and a few more, have lost all the developer console support. I am worried about the case as removing the dev console from NV would be a great punch to the PC mod community, as it would make testing stuff like new items or playthrough with god mode on to test bugs impossible. Share your thoughts, my PC brethren!

If a game doesnt have a developer console its because the devs chose not to allow it, it doesnt have anything to do with Steam. Left 4 Dead 1/2, Aliens vs Predator and Alien Swarm for example all allow the use of the developer console.

The Fallout crew know how big the modding scene is for the franchise so I dont know why they wouldnt allow it.

Don't put I don't care at least change it to care/know.

I'm not sure what your talking about or wether it effects me(which I guess it doesn't)
But please do not presume anything.

Its like when a PC gamer doesn't care about the vanilla game mechanics and says they'll just mod it and cares not about the console players.

But I do care.

( I went alittle off the deep end didn't I?)

It's not going to happen (the removal), Valve has no control over that whatsoever. Even if they could they wouldn't, it doesn't make any sense to do so.

Steam doesn't have the authority to say " no dev console for you"
& yes it should be included

Do Valve games have a dev console in them? Haven't used a Valve game since HL1?

They've already confirmed that they are realeasing the GECK with NV. In a game that officially supports modding, it would make no sense to remove the dev console.

And as said above, Steam has nothing to do with it. Valve games are highly moddable, to the point that a number of mods have become supported products (Counterstrike, Gary's Mod).

yeah, Steam only acts as the copy protection and patching, besides that it′s just like handling your copy of Fallout 3

In regards to the poll choices: if you care, you care regardless of the platform you're using. If you don't care, the platform also doesn't matter. So the "I don't care" options should probably have reference to the console platforms removed since it's not really relevant

As far as the poll question: yes, it should be there, and I suspect it will.

Basically, that. Steam shouldn't effect this, even if Steam was used for more than just DRM, since I'm pretty sure that there are Steam games which still include a console. Now, of course, some games might not use it, but I'd imagine that's because the designers of those games decided that they did not want to include it for whatever reason, not because the games use Steam.

And yes, I don't want it to be removed, since as a player, I find it helpful to have it for avoiding certain bugs, such as getting stuck on geometry or falling through the floor. Whether in Morrowind, Oblivion or Fallout 3, I've found myself using the console to escape situations where I'd otherwise have to reload not because I screwed up and died, but because of an error in the game's programming, and while I do not mod myself, I know that for modders, it's helpful to have it for testing their mods.

Well, I play on PS3, but I still think the use of the Dev console is useful for PC users. For those who want to play with objects in the game, it gives them the chance to play with say..... Operation Anchorage clothes, or respawn a slain companion, or no clip out of broken rocks. Like someone above said, it was removed/added by the dev teams themselves, and if they included it, theres no reason no to use it.

Yes there's a console on PC.

The only reason to disable it is because it allows for easy cheating. Which is a big deal in a multiplayer game, but we're single player only. You want to cheat, knock yourself out.

and just then a million fans let out a sigh of relief.

Do you know if achievements will be disabled if a user activates commands like TGM?

Not that I'm going to get achievements by cheating, just wondering.

Hoo-ah! Thanks JB! I can call you that way, can I? Okay, thanks Jason. Good to hear that it's going to be the way it was

Will make testing mods far easier Thank you.

:P Im I the only one who laughed at that?

I play console, but i've always promised myself to one day get a computer that will support games and attempt to Mod Fallout3 (and maybe new Vegas)

Very simple, if the PC game has an editor, then there has to be Dev Console for the game. Otherwise script testing is impossible.

You can not have one without the other in these games.

Eh, just use the message box system. While outdated, it does work.

Could you have the debug text mode re-enabled for the release version of New Vegas? It was noticeably missed in FO3...

A Gamebryo game without a dev console is an unplayable Gamebryo game.


Thusly there will be one.

Did you just encourage self harm?


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I hope they don't, cause I always use it to cheat, I'm always drawn to it, when I get too lazy to go back to get the rest of the loot. BUT, I'm getting the 360 version first. So I don't care that much.

I don't care for steam as I hate buying over the internet.

Steam can't interfere with the Dev Console, just like Fallout 3 and Oblivion had, New Vegas is likely to have it. Unless the developers cut it out for some strange reason.

IMO I don't really mind taking out it. Since I don't like cheating, but people use it for modding purposes and testing, so I am pretty fine with this and I encourage Obsidian to keep it 'cus I love the mods.

I was worried about that because devs that went to use Steam, like with Empire Total War or Modern Warfare 2, have deleted the dev console from the game due to achievement cheating probably

The missing console in MW2 has nothing to do with Steam but with the fact that Activision and Infinity Ward want to control their product as much as possible.

Bethesda optimized this game for modding and that's why the console will be part of the game.