stop right there criminal scum! buffing is a capital offense

Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:37 pm

Well i healed Aranea that was kneeling down after taking abeating from a Frost Troll, and she said "I hope you're not expecting a thank you."

Had you taken her as a follower at the time? I use Healing Hands on followers all the time, they have never considered it hostile and all the ones I've used have a dialogue response just for that situation. The best I've heard so far is Cosnach saying "Hey... my hangover's gone!" :lol:
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Eddie Howe
 
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:27 pm

The amount of people bending themselves through hoops to defend what is clearly a faulty game mechanic is staggering.
What is even your motivation for doing so?

It's more fun than complaining.


Edit: Censorship made the original comment...not so good.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:45 pm

If that were true, the spell's broken - combat is exactly what it's for.

Not necessarily, it would be broken if your allies would turn on you every time you casted courage on them but, as in the OP's scenerio he casted it on random legion soilders who were not allies or friendly NPCs. An ally would appreciate the courage where a non-friendly NPC would not.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:58 pm

Not necessarily, it would be broken if your allies would turn on you every time you casted courage on them but, as in the OP's scenerio he casted it on random legion soilders who were not allies or friendly NPCs. An ally would appreciate the courage where a non-friendly NPC would not.

Guards aren't technically your "allies" - they're more properly neutral - nor are random NPCs in towns - yet they don't mind. As I said earlier, running round a town casting courage on everyone is a long established grinding exploit.

There's no good reason why an NPC in a fight should turn hostile. NPCs turn hostile if you do something that damages them - that's the way the game works. I really don't think Bethesda added some subtle mechanic whereby NPCs have situational awareness of courage spells - I think that's your imagination talking.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:18 am

Guards aren't technically your "allies" - they're more properly neutral - nor are random NPCs in towns - yet they don't mind. As I said earlier, running round a town casting courage on everyone is a long established grinding exploit.

There's no good reason why an NPC in a fight should turn hostile. NPCs turn hostile if you do something that damages them - that's the way the game works. I really don't think Bethesda added some subtle mechanic whereby NPCs have situational awareness of courage spells - I think that's your imagination talking.

So you designed the game and know how it is supposed to work?
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:21 pm

I think that's your imagination talking.

Could be, but isn't that the point of a fantasy game, to use your imagination. If more people did there would 1/2 the amounts of post on here knitpicking ridiculous details.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:03 pm

So you designed the game and know how it is supposed to work?

No, I'm just trying to employ common sense to see that there's either a bug or an oversight.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:01 pm

Could be, but isn't that the point of a fantasy game, to use your imagination. If more people did there would 1/2 the amounts of post on here knitpicking ridiculous details.

I don't think even Bethesda intend the fact it's a fantasy game to be a catch-all explanation for any bugs, flaws or oversights.

"I saw a mammoth drop from the sky...er, uh, a dragon must have picked it up and dropped it....nothing wrong there."
"All my nirnroots have nuclear glows...er, well, uh these are Skyrim nirnroots and they get brighter and brighter as they mature..."

But people can always fall back on *drumroll*...It's not a BUG it's a FEATURE!
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:13 am

Had you taken her as a follower at the time?

Yes i had. But she's a Dunmer, they are [censored] from birth :P :bolt:
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:34 pm

Why are people defending faulty game mechanics?

NPC's should not become hostile from buffing or healing.
End of.
But they don't become hostile I've buffed plenty of NPC's and it never happend, its quite probable something else happened he wasn't aware of. It could have been that random encounter with thieves dressed as imperial soliders. Or he accidently hit one.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:29 am

But they don't become hostile I've buffed plenty of NPC's and it never happend, its quite probable something else happened he wasn't aware of. It could have been that random encounter with thieves dressed as imperial soliders. Or he accidently hit one.

Nope and nope. They were definitly soldiers, I had observed them a moment before, and I did not accidentally hit them, I intentionally hit them with a courage spell. 100% sure. The reason they attacked was because "cautious" NPCs, the kind that attack if you get too close, have a hair trigger. We know why it happened, we're just chewing the fat.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:55 pm

But they don't become hostile I've buffed plenty of NPC's and it never happend, its quite probable something else happened he wasn't aware of. It could have been that random encounter with thieves dressed as imperial soliders. Or he accidently hit one.

Ive had it happen on several of my early playthroughs, before I gave up on casting any buff on anyone that wasnt a follower.
But it seems to happen randomly, or as someone pointed out above, it has to do with factions.
Factions in TES games traditionally govern a lot of NPC behaviour.
In any case, I have had a bounty added for healing a guard, as well as him attacking me.
I dont think that healing spells are supposed to work that way.

Some followers also seem to think Im attacking them, shouting 'Im on your side', but Ive never had them become hostile.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:38 am

I hate when the chickens get in the way of my character fighting multiple enemies, and I get a bounty from accidentally hitting them. That made one Mage's College quest quite annoying.

In Oblivion, I'd always end up hitting guards somehow when I'd try to go rescue them from a gang of bandits or a minotaur lord and would get a bounty or have the guard turn hostile on me. Eventually, I learned to just let them die and kill the enemies afterwards.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:12 am

The AI in the game can be excessively dumb. I got a 10 gold bounty placed on my head during a fight with a random dragon spawn in Winterhold because a poor defenseless chicken got in the way of my Fus Roh Dah. A city guard actually stopped me right in the middle of the fight and demanded I pay the bounty and hand over any stolen goods in my possession.

Ridiculous!

The crime AI in TES has never been good.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:49 pm

Personally I prefer to think about if something is happening as intended or if there's an issue with the mechanics as opposed to concocting fantasies to explain everything away.
Perhaps Bethesda should stop thinking about bugs and oversights and hold competitions to see who can concoct the best explanation as to why everything is working perfectly?

Personally I prefer to figure out how the game works, and doesn't work, and adapt to that and enjoy the ride, than whine and cry about every minor detail that doesn't go exactly the way I expected it to.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:20 am

Personally I prefer to figure out how the game works, and doesn't work, and adapt to that and enjoy the ride, than whine and cry about every minor detail that doesn't go exactly the way I expected it to.

This.

Off topic- FO3 over F:NV? By that much? To each their own I guess...
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:12 am

Personally I prefer to figure out how the game works, and doesn't work, and adapt to that and enjoy the ride, than whine and cry about every minor detail that doesn't go exactly the way I expected it to.

There is, however, quite a large difference between whining and pointing something out.
I havent really seen anyone 'whine' on this thread.

I havent seen anyone go: 'Blaargh, aargh, you stupid people why u no make good games.'
I have seen people go: 'Here is something odd that happens and I dont think it should.'

There is quite a bit of difference between the two.
Personally, the closest parallel is when I write a story. When someone says: 'Hey, that sentence doesnt really make sense because its suddenly not from the viewpoint of the protagonist', then I take that as a valid criticism.

And that is just what is going on here.
Pointing out a flaw is not whining.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:25 pm

I'm actually curious if a patch created a bug with healing spells causing NPCs to become hostile. I'm still running on patch 1.2 and I used Healing Hands on a guard being attacked by a troll and he didn't become hostile. The guard did become hostile when I used Courage on him though, and completely ignored the troll to attack me. So from what I can gather, I would think Healing Hands causing NPCs to become aggressive is a bug. As for Courage, that may have been Bethesda's intention, but I personally don't think it should be that way.

Also, using Healing Hands on followers (with patch 1.2) makes my follower thank me. So if followers have any sort of negative reaction to healing post patch 1.5, that's probably a bug.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:38 am

Sure it would get fixed. The developers are aware of the state of their game. Games made improvements and fixed things in future installments long before the advent of internet message boards.

And who is wearing rose colored glasses? Just because we choose to deal with the game as is, and not get our panties in a bunch over "mammoths falling from the sky" - an example you stated - doesn't mean that we don't recognize that it's there. We just don't allow it to bother us.



So why are you getting your knickers in a twist if other people choose to observe stuff but it doesn't bother you? Wouldn't it be more sensible to let other people get on with discussing something that doesn't bother you? Instead you make false claims about people "whining and crying".

And developers - good ones anyway - do tend to stay abriast of what people are observing in their games because sometimes stuff happens rarely or that not everyone experiences.

I mean - what's your point? People shouldn't comment on anything that seems to be malfunctioning? Everyone should just invent a fantasy as to why all is well because that's what you do?
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:57 pm

The AI in the game can be excessively dumb. I got a 10 gold bounty placed on my head during a fight with a random dragon spawn in Winterhold because a poor defenseless chicken got in the way of my Fus Roh Dah. A city guard actually stopped me right in the middle of the fight and demanded I pay the bounty and hand over any stolen goods in my possession.

Ridiculous!
LOL this made my day.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:18 am

Sure you didn't use frenzy? :tongue:
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:26 am

Millions of elves, khajiit, argonians, orcs, and men/women are magically harassed all across Tameriel. We, the empire, have spent all your tax money on helping magically harass battlemages. We have now heard many sad stories of people being made stronger without their permission. Please, send your tax money and some extra gold for these poor victims of having their lives saved to the court jester. He will send you a free diskus.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:20 pm

are you storm cloak? i mean im imperial legion and get attacked by the storm cloaks when i veer too close to them
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:05 pm

Same thing happened to me. I'm pretty sure there is PCP in the courage spell or something...
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:01 pm

I will say that this bug is annoying especially since my favorite healing spell is Grand healing, oh boy....wanna know what svcks more than fighting a dragon in a town? Fighting a dragon in a town and fighting the town as well because you handed out the heal candy during the fight.

YOUR HEALING ENRAGES US! HOW DARE YOU SHINE THE LIGHT OF FEEL GOOD ON US AND SAVE OUR LIVES?! ANGRY MOB! SCREW THE DRAGON I GOT HEALED!

So much for all that praise everyone and their mother gives to the restoration school eh?
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