again, the Civil War is gonna be a footnote in the history books at best, removed from the books at worst. I think that is fact, as seen by every other game in the TES series.

I don't believe for a second that they are, even with the help of the Redguards and that is if they get it.

Gotta love politics.

Who said that Redguard pirates aren't already going about their daily routine of raiding Alinor?

If you want the "Good ol' Empire", you're out of luck. The Dragonborn Emperors are gone, and the Empire has been going downhill for pretty much the whole of the 4th Era(it actually started to go downhill before the Oblivion Crisis, with the events of the 1st Elder Scrolls game, but that is details).

If you want an invasion of the Aldmeri Dominion, you're not given good choices either. The Empire might have a military that is stronger than that of the Stormcloaks in the near future, but

On the other hand, while Skyrim is protected from the Dominion by their natural borders and large bufferzones, that works the other way around as well. Add in that there has historically been near impossible to invade Alinor itself and you don't have much reason to aim for an outside force taking down the Dominion.

Personally, I think a Skyrim free of the Empire is a better choice, due to the major wildcard I mentioned earlier in this post.

Duh, he wanted the war to free Skyrim...

And yet he regards it lackadaisically.

yeah, HE wanted the war to free Skyrim, and HE killed Torygg so that HE can get the throne, and prove that HE was the better warrior, which does not prove that HE was the better LEADER (There is more than one kind of Leader, you know, and I classify ULFRIC as a MILITARY leader/General of an ARMY, not a Leader of an ENTIRE province, due to lack of the other qualities that a POLITICAL leader/king should ideally have).

It's a shame that no one ever responds to this. Has a lot of good points that always go ignored.

Yea, lets just ignore the fact that he has supporters, and that even the imperial supporting side calls him smart at the end politically for what he did with Elisif.

That is a very one-sided way to see it. We have dialogue that indicate that most Jarls(or maybe even most people) were unwilling to take a side in the conflict and just went with the status quo, instead of taking the first step. When Ulfric killed the High King, he forced the nobility of Skyrim to take a side and he took the first step. What happened after that? About half of Skyrim is at his side, and about half oppose him.

Unlike the Empire, which has a Council and an Emperor that want to have their representatives lead Skyrim, because they think it is a good idea. I'm sorry, but how is this any better than Ulfric? It is basically the same thing.

Honestly, I see no reason to use a desire for the throne against Ulfric here. It doesn't serve the opposition, because their side is just as guilty of it. To retain any semblance of intellectual honesty, you have to condemn the Empire for the same thing, or else you engage in a fallacy called special pleading.

Maybe because it does not matter? As I have said, most major events get Footnoted at best, and most get ignored entirely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17CLlZuiBkQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=136s

Oh contraire, they most certainly do matter, especially when you remember faction quest endings are canon. Take another gander at that post and tell me it doesn't matter (Although I know you will).

That is just how I see the duel, it being legal or not, since Ulfric was the one who had to "hear" Torygg do nothing to free Skyrim since Skyrim has always supported the Empire, and the Empire (No matter the dynasty) has always been a good deal for Skyrim...

The Empire allows, supports, and aids in the Thalmor's torture-murder against Skyrim's denizens.

You're wrong.

It is canon, but most of them are not choice-split like the Civil War, so I most likely expect them to say that "Skyrim had a Civil War" or pull a Dragonbreak out of their butts.

Again, the Civil War will get forgotten over time and Humanity will unite anyways to fight the Thalmor, no matter who is running Skyrim

That isnt what I was talking about. Read Tdroid's post.

That has nothing to do with what you said. You're changign your flimsy arguments entirely again.

I think that is the worst copout answer to the DB problem with the Imperial side I've seen yet. "I don't have to acknowledge this because it might not matter in the longrun".

I'm sorry, but you can't just dismiss an obvious flaw with one of the sides to chose from. Or, if you're going to take the "doesn't matter in the longrun" approach, you also have to agree that your participation in this discussion at all makes no sense to begin with.

Some people say the Empire is good for Skyrim, others do not. You cannot simply assert that "the Empire is good for Skyrim" as a fact, when that is one of the points of this civil war to begin with. Apparently there is a great number if people in Skyrim who thinks the Empire isn't good for Skyrim. Are you going to just disregard them, the actual citizens of the land you're trying to judge?

again, the Civil war and anything to do with it will likely get dropped to the wayside or become a footnote simply because it is not as Nirn-shattering as the MQ.

You really think the Empire wants it? You think only Nords worship Talos? You think only Skyrim worships Talos?

I'm pretty sure this is happening all over the Empires provinces.

READ THE POST FOR THE LOVE OF KYNE.

Yes. The Elder Council is bought and paid for by the Thalmor and have assassinated the Emperor for wanting to take war to their Thalmor masters. They will serve their Thalmor masters dutifully and their Thalmor masters demand that all Talos worshipers are turned over to their Thalmor masters for torture-murder.

How do you know they had the Council hire the DB? I think they would have more than likely used their own assassins. more than likely that questline was one man who got too big for his britches.