The jarls are one of the downsides to the Stormcloaks I acknowledge. I think they were shoehorned in though.

right·eous

1. (of a person or conduct) Morally right or justifiable; virtuous.

Perhaps you and I should live with the Greybeards or the College then.

After the forsworn of course

In my cycle we use to debate about the strongest Draugr.

What about the rest of the list. Surely some of you agree with me there.

Let's be honest. Maven was always in control of Riften. Laila would abandon her people if a Dragon attacked. Maven's title of Jarl is just a formality.

About Igmund. Source please? Ulfric himself was the one killing innocents when he arrived at Markarth.

Oh wait, because "The Bear of Markarth" slanders Ulfric, its automatically propaganda and doesn't count. Strange.

I prefer the Forsworn over the oppressive silver-bloods.

Igmund himself directly led to their creation.

You prefer to die instead of be threatened?

Been around since 1E1030. They aren't exactly new.

Fill Alinor with clowns! Or was it clouds? Nah, it was tears, and cheese. And some crystals here and there. Waaait. Where's Jyggy at? He's alwas getting into trouble that one. always "organizing" things, and walking or running, never jogging, or anything in between.


Does that answer your question mortal?




...


Wabbajack?

The Forsworn themselves confirmed that Igmund was the real culprit. Notably Braig himself and the Bear of Markarth is hogwash. Plus you could also say that the Silver-bloods already rule Markarth too and Thongvar isn't such a bad person. It's his brother who is the problem and fortunately he is killable. In terms of abandoning her people, Laila's dialogue also suggests otherwise.

Those were the reachmen

Repeated Debates I see in CW threads-
Grey quater
cicero's journal
stormcloak racists
Wimperials are Thalmor puppets
Nords
Wimperials
Dunmer
Altmer
Emperor And the assassin
Great war
Civil War
other wars
Snow elves
Ysgramor

there is more but I cant think of them.

Or just go about my business. Did I say I agreed with the way the Greybeards conduct themsleves when it comes to their people's concerns and problems? No, I didn't. So don't put me in with those factions.

I don't get why people hate the older brother.

Really? You dislike Ulfric this much eh?

Sums it up i think.

You forgot Dragon cult, and Alduin.

Yeah. CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!!! XD

That's just Thonar, and last time I checked the Silver-blood mines produce half of Skyrims silver, while Maven leads a pack of cuthroats and thieves who make the lives of people miserable and screws Riften.

You didn't answer my first question.

And I suppose I agree there. Thonar does control Markarths wealth.

Then again, Markarth and Riften are the most corrupt cities. But Thonar doesn't care about the war AFAIK. Thongvor is the only one.

Forgive me Lord.

I guess Ingun Black-Briar must also be as evil as her Grandmother/mother or w.e on account of mere association.

Seriously though is the Black-Briar family incistous or something, cause their status in the CK and their dialogue seem to awfully contradict each other

Thongvar is the one who becomes Jarl in a Stormcloak victory and he definitely cares about both the war and Forsworn meance. Don't like Thonar then just kill him in the Forsworn Conspiracy. The only Stormcloak Jarls I dislike are Korir and Skald the rest are equal to or better than their Imperial counterpart IMO.

In my honest, brutal, anti-anti-anything opinion, I think Skyrim was better off before Talos/Tiber Septim.

They follow Faolen's ways. That's their whole shtick.