I'll begin,I'm a Stormcloak,because I really hate General Tullius,but I don't really think that Ulfric's actions are right,But my hatred for general tullius is greater than this,and I'm a nord.
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Stormcloaks vs Imperials.
» Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:51 am
I'll begin,I'm a Stormcloak,because I really hate General Tullius,but I don't really think that Ulfric's actions are right,But my hatred for general tullius is greater than this,and I'm a nord.
Share your histories!
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Laura Simmonds - Posts: 3435
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» Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:06 am
My reasons for joining the Stormcloaks are:
1. Being under Imperial influence has made them a shadow of what Skyrim once was, by their cultural influence and by relying on the Empire for military might.
2. Mede backed down too easy. After the war was ended in a stalemate, he should not have accepted the elves first offer for peace. At the very least, he could have called for a new treaty after he saw how the Thalmor failed in Hammerfell.
3. Ulfric is nothing like what the Imperial supporters including Balgruuf say he is. His cause is also a noble one, and from speaking to him personally, I see no evidence of a man hungry for the throne for the sake of power itself. I see a man who wants power to do what he thinks is right for his nation.
4. Ulfric seems like the leader Skyrim needs to make it strong again.
5. A stormcloak victory is every bit as viable as an Imperial one. I know this from the evidence the developers gave us through the dossier.
6. Trade will not stop after a Stormcloak victory between Skyrim and the Empire. It is too important for both nations, and our own history shows that nations who recently fought still trade afterwards if it is truly important for their country's survival. My motto is When it comes to countries, "Survival trumps grudges". Every time.
7. The Empire would have you believe that the Thalmor would invade Skyrim successfully without them, but if you study the map of Tamriel and look at its borders, natural borders, and know anything about invasions, you'd see that it is not possible unless the Thalmor take over the Empire first, which considering how strategic it is to have the Empire in front of Skyrim, no country would let that happen no matter how big the grudge is. Nords have fought alongside Dark Elves in history before, and much more blood was spread between them. There's no reason to believe that Skyrim wouldn't help the Empire when that endangers them as well.
8. As previously stated, an invasion from the Dominion just can't work on Skyrim. There's no nearby safe port for a naval invasion, which is essential. No invasion in real life history ever suceeded without a nearby safe port to receive supplies and reinforcements. And a land invasion wont work with the Empire in the way.
9. The Empire has shown through Hammerfell's treatment that they don't care about their people, and that their provinces are expendable.
10. The Empire's spirit is broken, and they are merely a shadow of what they once were. The last gasping breath of a dying man. When they crumble, I don't want Skyrim to be under them, because when they do fall, chaos will break out, and that will only hurt Skyrim if they are still heavily reliant on them.
Oh, and those idiots tried to cut off my head with no reason or proof of me being a Stormcloak.
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Chrissie Pillinger - Posts: 3464
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» Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:07 am
This is really going to end well.
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Katy Hogben - Posts: 3457
- Joined: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:20 am
» Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:05 am
Sweet Jesus it's this thread again...
I support the Empire because I think they are the good guys. There, that's my reasoning.
I support the Empire because I think they are the good guys. There, that's my reasoning.
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Dalia - Posts: 3488
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» Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:07 am
I don't support people who wear animals on their heads. 
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c.o.s.m.o - Posts: 3419
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» Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:14 am
This is something i said in another Thread. The OP of that thread wanted to know about the situation of the Dunmer and also about both sides of the war.
Also, couldn't agree more with http://www.gamesas.com/user/819483-colonelkillabee/
As far as i know, the Dunmer live in the Grey Quarter since they fled from Morrowind. And to be honest, it is called the Grey Quarter because it is a slice of the city FOR them, a part of the city was given to them when they fled from Morrowind.
Also, the reason Ulfric doesn't like the Dunmer, isn't JUST of a normal racism, he doesn't trust other races mostly because of the Thalmor, that have the Khajiit (They said to the Khajiit that it was them, the Thalmor, who brang the Moons back, because they have disappeared suddenly, and the Moons are part of the Khajiit culture) and the most of the Altmer, alot of the Bosmer and maybe some of of the Dunmer on their side. Ulfric is at war, he has reason to be kinda paranoic, in my opinion.
Just because some Nords are racists, doesn't mean that the purpose and cause of the Stormcloaks are surrounded by Racism. If you talk to Galmar (Ulfric's right hand) he will say that he fights against tyranny, i never heard him of Ulfric saying that they fight against other races and such.
I'll say something related to a Main Quest, so i'll put it in a Spoiler.
Anyway, i'm a Stormcloak myself, but the Stormcloaks also have their bad sides. Someone that supports the Empire should tell you all the good things about the Imperial side aswell, since i'm not trying to start a Stormcloaks vs Imperial discussion here, but in my most truly opinion, i think that as soon as we stop this war, as soon as the Stormcloaks win, we will be able to get the Thalmor, because they only have such influence in Skyrim because of this war. That's why the Thalmor want to keep this war going. So, for me, i'd rather win by the Stormcloak side and allow the worship of Talos, the one who is also Dragonborn, the one who founded the Empire, and make Skyrim big and powerful as it was before, removing all those Jarls that are puppet of the Empire and the Empire which is a puppet of the Thalmor than winning by Imperial side and ban the worship of Tiber Septim, and have Jarls who doesn't know how to rule and are puppet of an Empire that is too weak to even rule themselves, allowing the Thalmor into their walls and being just another puppet. What would Talos think ? Would he want to end like that ?
Anyway, this is my opinion, i'm sure that i'm wrong about somethings about the Empire, so if an Imperial could clarify for me and have a healthy discussion, cuz i'm not trying to start an Imperial vs Stormcloak Thread here.
Talos be with you.
EDIT: Also, if the Dunmer won't aid Ulfric in this war, why would he help them. That is kinda hypocrite from the Dunmer side. Talk to a Dunmer in the Grey Quarter that spend most of his time just relaxing sitting down on front of the Corneclub Hall, he'll say to you that he doesn't like the attitude of the other Dunmer about Windhelm and the Stormcloaks. (Sort Of)
Also, the reason Ulfric doesn't like the Dunmer, isn't JUST of a normal racism, he doesn't trust other races mostly because of the Thalmor, that have the Khajiit (They said to the Khajiit that it was them, the Thalmor, who brang the Moons back, because they have disappeared suddenly, and the Moons are part of the Khajiit culture) and the most of the Altmer, alot of the Bosmer and maybe some of of the Dunmer on their side. Ulfric is at war, he has reason to be kinda paranoic, in my opinion.
Just because some Nords are racists, doesn't mean that the purpose and cause of the Stormcloaks are surrounded by Racism. If you talk to Galmar (Ulfric's right hand) he will say that he fights against tyranny, i never heard him of Ulfric saying that they fight against other races and such.
I'll say something related to a Main Quest, so i'll put it in a Spoiler.
Spoiler
If you have already done the Thalmor Embassy Quest, at a certain point you have to open a chest and get some info, to know if the Thalmor have something to do with the Dragons. As i opened the chest, i found some Journals, one related to Delphine and other to Ulfric. If you read this one related to Ulfric, you'll see that this civil war is exactly what the Thalmor need, because while both sides are fighting, they can become stronger. There's a part that Elenwen writes in the journal something like this: "We somewhat are indirectly supporting the Stormcloaks aswell, but no too much for they to win this war, but enough for them to keep this war going. Of course both sides don't know this.". So basically this war is only helping the Thalmor get stronger. I highly recommend you to read this Journal.
Anyway, i'm a Stormcloak myself, but the Stormcloaks also have their bad sides. Someone that supports the Empire should tell you all the good things about the Imperial side aswell, since i'm not trying to start a Stormcloaks vs Imperial discussion here, but in my most truly opinion, i think that as soon as we stop this war, as soon as the Stormcloaks win, we will be able to get the Thalmor, because they only have such influence in Skyrim because of this war. That's why the Thalmor want to keep this war going. So, for me, i'd rather win by the Stormcloak side and allow the worship of Talos, the one who is also Dragonborn, the one who founded the Empire, and make Skyrim big and powerful as it was before, removing all those Jarls that are puppet of the Empire and the Empire which is a puppet of the Thalmor than winning by Imperial side and ban the worship of Tiber Septim, and have Jarls who doesn't know how to rule and are puppet of an Empire that is too weak to even rule themselves, allowing the Thalmor into their walls and being just another puppet. What would Talos think ? Would he want to end like that ?
Anyway, this is my opinion, i'm sure that i'm wrong about somethings about the Empire, so if an Imperial could clarify for me and have a healthy discussion, cuz i'm not trying to start an Imperial vs Stormcloak Thread here.
Talos be with you.
EDIT: Also, if the Dunmer won't aid Ulfric in this war, why would he help them. That is kinda hypocrite from the Dunmer side. Talk to a Dunmer in the Grey Quarter that spend most of his time just relaxing sitting down on front of the Corneclub Hall, he'll say to you that he doesn't like the attitude of the other Dunmer about Windhelm and the Stormcloaks. (Sort Of)
Also, couldn't agree more with http://www.gamesas.com/user/819483-colonelkillabee/
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Lisa Robb - Posts: 3542
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» Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:19 am
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=22044075ColonelKillaBee, on 06 January 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:
My reasons for joining the Stormcloaks are:
1. Being under Imperial influence has made them a shadow of what Skyrim once was, by their cultural influence and by relying on the Empire for military might.
2. Mede backed down too easy. After the war was ended in a stalemate, he should not have accepted the elves first offer for peace. At the very least, he could have called for a new treaty after he saw how the Thalmor failed in Hammerfell.
3. Ulfric is nothing like what the Imperial supporters including Balgruuf say he is. His cause is also a noble one, and from speaking to him personally, I see no evidence of a man hungry for the throne for the sake of power itself. I see a man who wants power to do what he thinks is right for his nation.
4. Ulfric seems like the leader Skyrim needs to make it strong again.
5. A stormcloak victory is every bit as viable as an Imperial one. I know this from the evidence the developers gave us through the dossier.
6. Trade will not stop after a Stormcloak victory between Skyrim and the Empire. It is too important for both nations, and our own history shows that nations who recently fought still trade afterwards if it is truly important for their country's survival. My motto is When it comes to countries, "Survival trumps grudges". Every time.
7. The Empire would have you believe that the Thalmor would invade Skyrim successfully without them, but if you study the map of Tamriel and look at its borders, natural borders, and know anything about invasions, you'd see that it is not possible unless the Thalmor take over the Empire first, which considering how strategic it is to have the Empire in front of Skyrim, no country would let that happen no matter how big the grudge is. Nords have fought alongside Dark Elves in history before, and much more blood was spread between them. There's no reason to believe that Skyrim wouldn't help the Empire when that endangers them as well.
8. As previously stated, an invasion from the Dominion just can't work on Skyrim. There's no nearby safe port for a naval invasion, which is essential. No invasion in real life history ever suceeded without a nearby safe port to receive supplies and reinforcements. And a land invasion wont work with the Empire in the way.
9. The Empire has shown through Hammerfell's treatment that they don't care about their people, and that their provinces are expendable.
10. The Empire's spirit is broken, and they are merely a shadow of what they once were. The last gasping breath of a dying man. When they crumble, I don't want Skyrim to be under them, because when they do fall, chaos will break out, and that will only hurt Skyrim if they are still heavily reliant on them.
Oh, and those idiots tried to cut off my head with no reason or proof of me being a Stormcloak.
My reasons for joining the Stormcloaks are:
1. Being under Imperial influence has made them a shadow of what Skyrim once was, by their cultural influence and by relying on the Empire for military might.
2. Mede backed down too easy. After the war was ended in a stalemate, he should not have accepted the elves first offer for peace. At the very least, he could have called for a new treaty after he saw how the Thalmor failed in Hammerfell.
3. Ulfric is nothing like what the Imperial supporters including Balgruuf say he is. His cause is also a noble one, and from speaking to him personally, I see no evidence of a man hungry for the throne for the sake of power itself. I see a man who wants power to do what he thinks is right for his nation.
4. Ulfric seems like the leader Skyrim needs to make it strong again.
5. A stormcloak victory is every bit as viable as an Imperial one. I know this from the evidence the developers gave us through the dossier.
6. Trade will not stop after a Stormcloak victory between Skyrim and the Empire. It is too important for both nations, and our own history shows that nations who recently fought still trade afterwards if it is truly important for their country's survival. My motto is When it comes to countries, "Survival trumps grudges". Every time.
7. The Empire would have you believe that the Thalmor would invade Skyrim successfully without them, but if you study the map of Tamriel and look at its borders, natural borders, and know anything about invasions, you'd see that it is not possible unless the Thalmor take over the Empire first, which considering how strategic it is to have the Empire in front of Skyrim, no country would let that happen no matter how big the grudge is. Nords have fought alongside Dark Elves in history before, and much more blood was spread between them. There's no reason to believe that Skyrim wouldn't help the Empire when that endangers them as well.
8. As previously stated, an invasion from the Dominion just can't work on Skyrim. There's no nearby safe port for a naval invasion, which is essential. No invasion in real life history ever suceeded without a nearby safe port to receive supplies and reinforcements. And a land invasion wont work with the Empire in the way.
9. The Empire has shown through Hammerfell's treatment that they don't care about their people, and that their provinces are expendable.
10. The Empire's spirit is broken, and they are merely a shadow of what they once were. The last gasping breath of a dying man. When they crumble, I don't want Skyrim to be under them, because when they do fall, chaos will break out, and that will only hurt Skyrim if they are still heavily reliant on them.
Oh, and those idiots tried to cut off my head with no reason or proof of me being a Stormcloak.
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Eve(G) - Posts: 3546
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» Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:34 am
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=22044075ColonelKillaBee, on 06 January 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:
My reasons for joining the Stormcloaks are:
1. Being under Imperial influence has made them a shadow of what Skyrim once was, by their cultural influence and by relying on the Empire for military might.
2. Mede backed down too easy. After the war was ended in a stalemate, he should not have accepted the elves first offer for peace. At the very least, he could have called for a new treaty after he saw how the Thalmor failed in Hammerfell.
3. Ulfric is nothing like what the Imperial supporters including Balgruuf say he is. His cause is also a noble one, and from speaking to him personally, I see no evidence of a man hungry for the throne for the sake of power itself. I see a man who wants power to do what he thinks is right for his nation.
4. Ulfric seems like the leader Skyrim needs to make it strong again.
5. A stormcloak victory is every bit as viable as an Imperial one. I know this from the evidence the developers gave us through the dossier.
6. Trade will not stop after a Stormcloak victory between Skyrim and the Empire. It is too important for both nations, and our own history shows that nations who recently fought still trade afterwards if it is truly important for their country's survival. My motto is When it comes to countries, "Survival trumps grudges". Every time.
7. The Empire would have you believe that the Thalmor would invade Skyrim successfully without them, but if you study the map of Tamriel and look at its borders, natural borders, and know anything about invasions, you'd see that it is not possible unless the Thalmor take over the Empire first, which considering how strategic it is to have the Empire in front of Skyrim, no country would let that happen no matter how big the grudge is. Nords have fought alongside Dark Elves in history before, and much more blood was spread between them. There's no reason to believe that Skyrim wouldn't help the Empire when that endangers them as well.
8. As previously stated, an invasion from the Dominion just can't work on Skyrim. There's no nearby safe port for a naval invasion, which is essential. No invasion in real life history ever suceeded without a nearby safe port to receive supplies and reinforcements. And a land invasion wont work with the Empire in the way.
9. The Empire has shown through Hammerfell's treatment that they don't care about their people, and that their provinces are expendable.
10. The Empire's spirit is broken, and they are merely a shadow of what they once were. The last gasping breath of a dying man. When they crumble, I don't want Skyrim to be under them, because when they do fall, chaos will break out, and that will only hurt Skyrim if they are still heavily reliant on them.
Oh, and those idiots tried to cut off my head with no reason or proof of me being a Stormcloak.
My reasons for joining the Stormcloaks are:
1. Being under Imperial influence has made them a shadow of what Skyrim once was, by their cultural influence and by relying on the Empire for military might.
2. Mede backed down too easy. After the war was ended in a stalemate, he should not have accepted the elves first offer for peace. At the very least, he could have called for a new treaty after he saw how the Thalmor failed in Hammerfell.
3. Ulfric is nothing like what the Imperial supporters including Balgruuf say he is. His cause is also a noble one, and from speaking to him personally, I see no evidence of a man hungry for the throne for the sake of power itself. I see a man who wants power to do what he thinks is right for his nation.
4. Ulfric seems like the leader Skyrim needs to make it strong again.
5. A stormcloak victory is every bit as viable as an Imperial one. I know this from the evidence the developers gave us through the dossier.
6. Trade will not stop after a Stormcloak victory between Skyrim and the Empire. It is too important for both nations, and our own history shows that nations who recently fought still trade afterwards if it is truly important for their country's survival. My motto is When it comes to countries, "Survival trumps grudges". Every time.
7. The Empire would have you believe that the Thalmor would invade Skyrim successfully without them, but if you study the map of Tamriel and look at its borders, natural borders, and know anything about invasions, you'd see that it is not possible unless the Thalmor take over the Empire first, which considering how strategic it is to have the Empire in front of Skyrim, no country would let that happen no matter how big the grudge is. Nords have fought alongside Dark Elves in history before, and much more blood was spread between them. There's no reason to believe that Skyrim wouldn't help the Empire when that endangers them as well.
8. As previously stated, an invasion from the Dominion just can't work on Skyrim. There's no nearby safe port for a naval invasion, which is essential. No invasion in real life history ever suceeded without a nearby safe port to receive supplies and reinforcements. And a land invasion wont work with the Empire in the way.
9. The Empire has shown through Hammerfell's treatment that they don't care about their people, and that their provinces are expendable.
10. The Empire's spirit is broken, and they are merely a shadow of what they once were. The last gasping breath of a dying man. When they crumble, I don't want Skyrim to be under them, because when they do fall, chaos will break out, and that will only hurt Skyrim if they are still heavily reliant on them.
Oh, and those idiots tried to cut off my head with no reason or proof of me being a Stormcloak.
I love you. Do you care if I store this in a notepad to use when you aren't around?
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Dean Ashcroft - Posts: 3566
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» Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:00 am
I used to support the Empire, but as a Redguard I have to say that although I have to support anyone trying to secede from the Empire, seeing as it has benefited Hammerfell so much and led to the Redguards being more united than ever. Every country deserves to be governed by it's own people and should not have to submit to an Emperor who does not care about their beliefs or concerns.
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Raymond J. Ramirez - Posts: 3390
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