if talos ascended into a divine, an aedra, is it possible for a human to ascend into a daedric prince? if all the princes favored a mortal the same, and condoned an ascension to become a new prince is it possible?

I think so, like shivering isles!!! but I'm not that sure

i say yes
but the general caveat is that "a god/prince" went missing, and that mythological hole is svcking everything in. So you plug it up

divines can be killed btw, deadra can only be banished and thus they can return eventually, so in godly terms they are more divine than the divines XD

right but truly you didnt become a god though on shivering isles you just took over the realm right? you could still die and gained no real power or invulnerability, daedric princes are true gods invincible moreless, however they are different from aedra, as they cant enter tamriel at all, they cant even speak to anyone directly, unlike daedra that some can enter tamriel as they please, like sanguine, and sheogorath, and a couple others, mehrunes but he was the rightful ruler of tamriel in the merethic era i believe but was cast out of his realm and tried to regain entry from the oblivion crisis. so daedra can enter the realm and speak directly to people, but the divines cant, are the divines even in comparison to the daedra, im thinking the daedra could create and transcend a more powerful new prince than the divines created talos, perhaps.

Killed is a relative term in both cases.

As another poster said, the absence of a god causes someone to fill that space; Talos the mortal became Lorkhan the divine, and the hero of Cyrodiil became Sheogorath. It's more a case of a mortal and his/her body being filled with the divinity.

But Sheogorath didn't die himself, he merely became Jyggalag. And Lorkhan didn't die, he pulled an Osiris and became not just the God of Mortals, but the Mortal God, and rules over the Dreamsleeve (Sovngarde IS the Dreamsleeve; Sovn = sleep, Garde = vessel). Both transformed, and granted their divinity, and all the titles that went along with it, to heroic mortals.

In a way, all of the Divines can be thought of as merely titles, except at present Ehlnofey or something older fill those slots. All Aedra and Daedra mean are whether that aspect of divinity is involved with creation or destruction in Mundus. Thus Trinimac became Malacath, and thus the good-aligned Azura and Meridia are both Daedra in spite of being helpful to mortals.


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No, you took on all of His powers. Sheogorath of Skyrim makes references to being the Hero of Cyrodiil, and even to browsing the Elder Scrolls forums (in the form of referring to the "fish stick, a very delicate state of mind"). Also, try hitting him next time you do his quest.

im totally sheogorath.

Yes, see the Shivering Isles. That is a specific case I realize, and you may already be well aware of it. In either case, the only other thing I would be able to add would be that, on the whole, one does not generally have the opportunity to "become" anything of a higher power in the Elder Scrolls. From my limiited lore knowledge, I don't think it is possible to become a daedra because they existed previously. I think in Talos' case, a very special set of circumstances led to his inclusion. I would think that some of the exploits of the player character would qualify him for inclusion in certain games, but apparently not.

i see, lol i did try i tried everything possible im a play tester i exploit tricks and glitches ive tried everything he just teleports me into the sky to fall to my death lol, however i didnt try ridiculously raising my acrobatics, maybe id survive the fall ? maybe then what lol

so lorkhan was a divine who died? how?

I meant in skyrim. You can't even harm him, because he's immortal. He's also the Hero of Cyrodiil.

But yeah, in Oblivion before you become him he executes you in a rather hilarious way.

Lorkhan, also called Shor or Shezarr, was killed by some of the ancestor-gods (aedra) of the Altmer that did not appreciate Him making it so that their children were mortal basically, and bringing the world of Mundus from the conceptual world of Aetherius to the "Real World." Basically he tricked them into creating the universe, and as punishment they split his body in half and separated it from his heart. The moons are his body and his heart was destroyed by the Nerevarine in Morrowind.

Well, "dead" is a strong word.

According to Altermi legends, Auriel, in his one moment of weakness, agreed to the creation of Mundus. This act sundered the ancestors of the Elves from the immortal plane. In his anger and disgust for Lorkhan's treachery, Auriel and the other gods had his heart removed, tied to an arrow, and fired from his legendary bow. The spot where it landed created a volcano, Vvardenfell.

In human legends, they tend to be more forgiving to him. The gods, though recognizing their loss, cherished the new world that was created. The moons Masser and Secunda are his flesh divinity. It is widely believed that the act of creation was the reason for his fall.

ok i see. thanks for clearing that up fascinating!

what a fascinating story. so thats why you had to use sunder and keening on the heart, so dagoth ur was trying to resurrect lorkhan? its been so long since i played morrowind and i wasnt into the story at all back then, not like i am now, i didnt read much of the books and i was just into plundering and stuff, so i really wish i payed attention , cause its a fascinating story, truly

Not resurrecting. He was stealing Lorkhan's power. So were Almalexia, Sotha Sil and Vivec.

oh right i remember that now, because almalexia, sotha sil, vivec, dagoth ur, and the nerevarine all did that right to become gods themselves, but they betrayed the nerevarine i think something like that right?

Yeah, basically trying to carve off some of that god-power for themselves, like the Tribunal did (after stabbing their good friend Nerevar, who was sent there specifically to stop the Dwemer from doing that, in the back, figuratively and possibly literally).

The Thalmor still think that this whole "physical, material world" thing was/is a huge mistake and are trying to undo it, starting with getting rid of (the worship of) Talos, then all men, and finally Mundus itself so that they can go back to being perfect beings of pure thought and energy.

Play Oblivion.

No, Vivec, Sotha Sil and Almalexia use the heart of Lorkhan but Nerevar refused that's why he was killed.

Nerevar never used the Tools (unless you believe http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nerevar-red-mountain, where he uses them to erase the Dwemer from the mortal plane).
Dagoth Ur was "corrupted" by the Heart and Tools which he was guarding after the disappearance of the Dwemer (he was likely experimenting with them), and he took some of the Heart's power, achieving godlike powers and immortality.
The Tribunal used the Heart and Tools with the intention to become gods.

The Wolf Queen nearly managed this, IMO.

Read the book in the Blue Palace of Solitude (Royal bedchambers)

Good read

-HK

who says that talos became a god? proof it or it never happened the altmer are right, it is just human superstition. but if people choose to believe in a wrong god... yes well, it's their choice but it does not change the truth


i think the word "garde" comes from the nordic g?rd. in the past this was a wealthy farm, now it rather referrs to an estate.

the 7th Champion of Cyrodill became the "new" Sheogorath.

However, It would be interesting if one could become a whole new prince, not just a replacement of one.

What if Ulfric Stormcloak became the Daedric Prince of Selfishness and Rascism?

You can only become a Daedra in one special case, Sheo in the Isles and only then through an awkward transition of mantling. The Daedra were spirits that rejected Lorkhan's idea, for various reasons and did not take part in creation, Daedra means not our ancestor, so I doubt you can become a true-blue new prince.

Ulfric doesn't have one single racist moment in the entire game that isn't related to the Aldmeri Dominion.