IMO Ysgramor is more important, I am not sure why the Lore has Talos as a Devine. Is Tiber Septim confirmed as actually ascending or did people just make it up as a legend?

play knights of the nine in oblivion

Talos guide you.

I did but I completely forget it.

CHEESE TO EVERYONE !

Talos is a god, Tiber Septim was a man. Ysgramor was a man.
Talos is Tiber, but Tiber is not Talos.
Talos takes the place of the missing god in the pantheon, he is the mirror-brother, the enantiomorph, of Lorkhan.

Tiber was just a man born from men, How does he become a piece of Lorkhan? So he conquered Tamriel... How does that make him connected to Lorkhan more than another great mortal man?

IMO the ban on Talos is right. How can a mere man become a God. Though, people should be left to worship who they want, in peace.

This Idea of him Replacing Lorkhan seems absurd. I Prefer Ysgramor Worship. Sovngarde awaits !

We don't know how, bit one thing is certain: He is.
Proof:

Talos is not Tiber.
Talos is a conglomerate entity of Tiber Septim, Hjalti Early-Beard, Arctus Zarin and a few others.
Their life story, their chosen fate, mirrored the story of creation, up to and including the betrayal.
The story of creation, re-enacted perfectly except for size was an affirmation of creation, a strenghtening of the Wheel.

Tiber mantled Lorkhan, this is called the Walking Way. Walking the way of the god until he is forced to walk like you.
Talos is the enantiomorph, the mirror-brother of Lorkhan.

There is this quote from the old forums (2005) printed by Vehk (MK) that sheds some light:

"Lorkhan and his avatars:

1. Wulfharth L
2. Hjalti O
3. Ysmir R
4. Talos K
5. Arctus H
6. Septim A
N : "

Thalmor.

Oh man i feel like an idiot right now :sadvaultboy: (this is all greek to me)

I thought Ysmir was Talos by another name? Okay so if Tiber was just a piece of Entity of Lorkhan then why do the Mer refuse to accept the birth of Talos?

There are some good articles on the walking ways, the enantiomorph, the relation between the mundane and divine on the http://www.imperial-library.info/

Invaluable are also http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_36_Lessons_of_Vivec
They require some non-literal methaphorical and metaphysical thinking.
There are some good articles that can shed (some) insight in that, such as http://fallingawkwardly.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/the-metaphysics-of-morrowind-part-3/ or http://www.somethingfornobody.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28&sid=e29464c9ea2c1900ac9e52cf43674860

"What appears to be an Altmeri commentary on Talos:

To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.

To achieve this goal, we must:

1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.

2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.

3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit. "

Source: Imperial Library

They are basically trying to do the same as the Dwemer. But where the Dwemer attempted to return to the infinite possibility by turning their entire race into a god (Numidium), the Thalmor are attempting to do so by ending the world.

Lorkhan convinced the Aedra to create Mundas, right. Upon the creation The Daedra destroyed Lorkhan splitting his essence between Tamriel and the moons. This essence birthed man and mer, correct ?

ROFLCHOPPA :banghead: where are the Lore texts that say Talos = Lorkhan? Or is this crap only nerds' speculation? Data... data... data... :deal:

Lorkhan convinced or tricked Et'Ada to participate in creation.
When the scope of the project became clear, that they would have to sacrifice themselves wholly or partially into the project, the Magna-Ge left.
The Aedra are the ones that stayed and continued.
The Daedra are the ones that never participated, but like to stick around and meddle.

At Convention the most powerful Aedra assembled and punished Lorkhan.
His body was torn asunder and became the moons, his heart was hurled far away and where it landed a volcano erupted.
(Red Mountain).

Man and Mer are Ehlnofey. They are the Aedra that wholly dissolved into the project, fracturing into ever smaller entities.
From the perspective of man this is a good thing, it allows a transcendance and understanding that is beyond Aedric capability.
From the perpective of Mer this was a trap, and Lorkhan is their jailor.

Edit: To Bright: Read the links I provided, do some research.
TES lore is not bound solely to what appears in game. How would you classify the creators of the lore explaining themselves on the forum? Its obviously canon, as it is an explanation of what is in the game, but it does not appear in any in-game text.
That Talos is Lorkhan however can be inferred from many things, many pieces strewn throughout the games, but the most powerful indicator is repetition of story. As above, so below.
The Thalmor want to erase him so they can uncoil the dragon. What is time without space?

It seems Merari beat me to it.

Listen to him, people.

Merari is hardcoe into the Lore. lol. Crazy information.

Why do Aedra combat Daedra if they are the same, only 1 group was tricked? Shouldn't they be allies, in the same plain; Trying to unify the Men and Mer to their Aedra counterparts?

Strikingly similar argument can be made for some RL religions... and if you talk to those RL zealots, they'll give you the same answers you get in Skyrim. I wonder if this whole Talos thing isn't some veiled attempt by Bethesda to make a religious statement about RL religions?

(Yes, very speculative, but the rabidity of the Nords (and others) holding on to Talos, claiming he is both Man and God is just.....)

(Ok, nevermind.)

Edit: sp

Aedra and Daedra do not neccesarily hate each other.
Their interests sometimes conflict but the main distinction is that the Aedra are the Mundus, it is a collective endevour no one of them could have done alone, while the Daedra are just very interested by the Mundus.
Depending on which viewpoint you have, creation was something they were tricked into or a great sacrifice they made willingly.

In any case, it is not in the Aedra's nor Daedra's best interest to unmake the project.
They would all return to a lesser state. The Aedra would no longer be a part of something greater than themselves and the Daedra wouldnt have an interesting thing to meddle with anymore, there would just be Oblivion and Aetherius.
Both groups seemingly have long-term machinations that imply that the Mundus can achieve things that were not possible before, and that they want to profit from that.

Why do the Deadra battle between themselves? Because they all represent different things and there are conflicts between those things. Also remember the fate of Jyggalag, the deadra feared their brother of order as his power was unprecedentedly strong and thus they twisted him via a curse inflicting on him the thing he hated the most, Madness and thus Jyggalag became Sheogorath and order became madness. The Aedra on the other hand are closer together to each other then the Deadra but that doesn't mean there is no disputes among them, it may just be such disputes are not as easily visible to the eyes of mortals on Mundas.

Also remember that Akatosh is time, no deadra or aedra wants to see an end to linear time and thus Akatosh is something no Deadra or Aedra wants to see an end come to, only the Aldmeri wanted that, as do one of their descendants the Altmer.

We worship jesus as being a God....so why they can't?