After seeing a post here, I remembered something I really liked about WoW. (Yes, WoW did have good things, please don't turn this into a WOW svckS discussion).

One thing which always amazed me was the amount of gear. There was raiding gear, dungeon gear, PvP gear, PvE gear, seasonal gear, etc etc.

Just look at this for an idea of how much gear there was... http://i.imgur.com/FMNoaFN.jpg?1.

There's cloth, leather, mail and plate, and just a countless amount of armor sets. This is something that, to me, seemed lacking in Skyrim (for example).

In MMORPG's, there's usually a huge amount of gear to obtain, but I'm concerned for the ESO...

(Also, if you're wondering, gear is a big deal for lots of players, it's what keeps many players like myself playing for a long long time)!

My nightmare situation would be; they're just going to port all the gear from the other TES games without creating anything new or original.

Yeah, we'll get glass, elven, orcish, but we've seen it all before, we need some MMO originality here.

Do you think we'll see as much gear in the pic I posted? Well, I'm pretty skeptical.

world of warcraft is 9 years old, there weren't millions of sets at release.

however, most of the things in your picture are used 2 or 3 time just with different colors...

I would rather stick with meaningful gear. We dont obviously need as many as in wow, because they are all equal, with different stats perhaps

So far it seems there wont be "PvP, raid, dungeon" stuff you are used to, more likely certain pieces scattered around that would fit your particular build. Meaningful choice over babysitting "this is your PvP gear, regards, Blizzard"

Yes, wow does svck since you already mentioned it

I would like to see a really low amount of gear available. And gear that needs to be repared by a smith. You want to have an ingame economy between players, not between players and npcs. Gear drops are needed, but shouldn't destroy the economy of gear production by players. Also gear should be breakable due to usage. You are able to repair it a few times (at a smith) but after that: gear is losing stats, making it unwearable. You are able to get some materials back from that gear piece for making a new gear piece.

This is a bit odd. I could never understand why people based their motivation for playing a game on acquiring gear.

It's like you're picking the most obvious carrot on the most obvious stick, but once you have it, you lose interest. It becomes even more pronounced when you state you need lots and lots of different types of gear, so you can keep collecting - but having the collection clearly doesn't make you happy. Because once you can no longer add to it, you quit.

I enjoy collecting things as much as anyone (even in MMOs), but this particular approach just doesn't make sense to me. How can hoarding gear be a motivation if you only enjoy acquiring it, not having it?
Seriously man, try and anolyse this for a moment. To me it seems like you fell victim to the typical WoW-induced dopamine flooding, which is an integral part of its reward pattern.

You get an item, it triggers a dopamine surge. You get the next item, it triggers another surge. And once there's no more items and as a result no more triggers for further dopamine surges, you're like a rat that learned there's no longer a reward for pressing the "reward button", and stops pressing the button as a result.
So you basically promote additional items being introduced even though they add no intrinsic gameplay value whatsoever, simply because each of them represents a kick for you.

Wouldn't it make more sense to try and find enjoyment in other aspects of an MMO? The social aspect, the immersive aspects, exploration, the gameplay itself, PvP, etc.? Basically anything but the most obvious dopamine carrot?

in my opinion, there should be MORE different gear available - BUT craftable ONLY by PLAYERS (crafting profession...)

that would make CRAFTING & boring GRINDING much, much more interesting and meaningful...

Urrm, I think that was just a huge misunderstanding. I enjoy having the gear, not always getting the actual gear, and nothing I said states that I don't like all of the other aspects of an MMORPG... It's just nice to have a lot of variety.

Did they not say that crafting would allow people to create armour in racial styles? You would start of with your own race and as you became better at crafting you could learn the patterns of other races. That suggests there will be a lot of armour styles at all levels. However, I can not remember the source for this information so if any one else heard/read the same and can confirm it was not a dream that would be grand!

+1

i agree,

all gear should wear out eventually... (example: maybe after 10-20 repairs... and it's stats should gradually be lowered 1-3%, after each repair)

(and this would make crafting & grinding more interesting and meaningful...)

and it buffs up the RPG element of the game

i hate to repeat myself, but i had to

they should add more gear only if its not a recolour or a cheap reskin

WoW svcks

Someone had to say it lol

Not bothered, always found plenty in previous TES titles so not worried at all!

What i really like about eso's approach is how gear stats are not fixed. the gear can be enhanced and customized by crafters to meet the needs of the person who owns it. i believe that gear will stay true to its base intent but with fexabillity to fit a custom characer spec. this sounds better than a bunch of random goofy clown suits.

Like 98% of the gear in WoW is outdated and useless, transmog fodder at best, and at worst totally useless because alot of it is butt ugly and just reskins of the same model over and over. WoW gear has never been good with the exception of a few awesome pieces, and they make it worse by making their entire treadmill based off just "adding more and more gear". That game is so over the top bloated as far as useless gear and skills go that its insane, though I guess after 8 years you can't expect much else. I'd rather see TESO go the route of not really adding a ton of new skills each expansion, and try to figure out a way to keep older gear somewhat useful (even as gear for leveling alts, BOAs were such a good and bad thing in the grand scheme. You never even use quest/dungeon gear anymore with the loot satchels from LFD and BOAs)

I'd rather we just have our basic light, medium and heavy with the different subtypes of glass/orcish/daedric and then whatever plethora of enchantments and customizations we can tack on with crafting. Like someone else in here said, more meaningful gear.

edit: what I mean by not adding a ton of new skills each expansion is, I'd rather they just try to come up with new and inventive ways for us to use what we have rather than adding 3 or more new things to each class/tree, or a ridiculous amount of new trees altogether. Add some stuff over the years, yeah, but keep it simple.

I dont understand why it needs to be some superior gears... IVe suggested "prosperity" to them, basically bling bling, cool awesome stuff BUT what doesnt affect so much on game. This game would have longer and saver life if they do what I say, basically massive gold sink = prosperity.

Here's one variable which draw a very large line between WoW and ESO: Armor proficiency. ESO will be flexible in what a play can wear, while WoW was always rigid with it; It's something which has gotten worse, actually. Before, an enhancement shaman could mix up some leather/mail, but now everyone is forced (yes, yes, negative word used to emphasize my hatred for WoW...obviously) to wear their intended armor type.

PvP gear was a horrible bloody mistake on WoW's part. Too much gear is indeed a bad thing, ESPECIALLY for hybrids. My shaman had four full sets of gear in his bag at a time, before I changed my melee spec to the caster spec. PvP and transmog gear creates unneeded clutter in my bags. I have my bank slots PACKED with things i dont want to get rid of, and my main bags only have half a bag free at any given time; rather, they DID before I changed specs, and ultimately quit the game.

With all that said, I do believe that obtaining high-end gear to be of vast importance. I simply do not think that we need multiple different sets for different occasions. 6 pieces of SR for Mother Shah in BT is reasonable, but still creates clutter.

New gear is often made by new expansions and patch content. I can deal with losing my gear for an expansion, but having it become something EVERYONE can suddenly get after a single bloody content patch is the dumbest thing ever. It literally takes any achievement out of the fact that you got it. Some might think this is a hollow way to look at it, but those are the same people who never completed incredibly hard (and something just plain stupid) raid content.

Well, TL;DR...New gear is cool. New gear coming out every 3-6 months and invalidating all you've done for the previous gear? Not cool at all. I'm not saying to not make better gear, I'm saying to not make the old gear so bloody easy to get JUST because there's new stuff.

The more the merrier?

I disagree. If RP's want to trash their armor after 20 repairs, be my guest. However, having every armor wear out after a certain amount of repairs is simply dumb.

Visual customisation has already been proven to be one of the most important aspects of player retention in a game. It helps to give the player a sense of ownership (or identity, if you will), which garners customer loyalty. So, yes. The more gear style choices, the better. It was one of the most bitter disappointments of TOR (God, I've been bringing that game up a lot lately). They promised "entire hallways of gear per class," and when the game finally came out...

...they had maybe twelve different styles of gear per class.

It's actually the opposite of dumb. The person you quoted provided two arguments for why it is a good idea. That isn't a lot, but so far the argument score is 2:0 in his favour. And it would be even if his arguments were invalid, because your post brings absolutely nothing to a discourse. Well, with the exception of an uninformed opinion.

You have an excellent point with customization being an important aspect of identification with your character. But the bolded part is where you go off track. There is a point at which "diversity" turns into "a mess" which detracts from gameplay, and it comes a lot sooner than you would think.

When I see another player, I need to be able to make an educated guess on what his character does and what he is capable of. This impression doesn't have to be completely accurate, but the moment "equipment" becomes another term for "cosmetics" (on a visual level), I can just as well stop trying to make informed decisions in PvP (or RP).
You saw the adverse effects in SW:ToR, by the way, with Assassin/Shadow being forced to use double-bladed lightsabers (and other classes not being able to use them), for the sole reason of keeping them discernable.

I'd really much prefer a limited selection of gear that actually makes sense and can be distinguished with some practice, as compared to diversity for diversity's sake.

need lots of gear especially HORSE ARMOR lol

Loved having to visit player smiths on UO waaaaaaaay way back to get my stuff repaired. Eventually I had my own smith for such things, but hanging around the smithy with the RPing smiths was always good fun. Promotes player interaction, if nothing else. Less emphasis on gear is best, in my humble opinion. Making your own fun should be the goal, not doing what the devs say is fun. Again, just my two cents.

What's uninformed about thinking gear deterioration is dumb?

What is informed about thinking gear deterioration is dumb?

Other.

I would prefer quality be focused on and not quantity as much. Although naturally a large amount of gear is kind of necessary.