The Argonian Question

Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:45 am

For Two reasons.

One: Attraction. Just like in real life.

Two: They do, but not always, briast-feed. Just because their young hatches from an egg doesn't mean they can't briast-feed it, right?

Also, Argonians are actually some-what mammals. They have both reptile and mammal traits. Like, Argonians are actually warm-blooded and not cold-blooded. If they are cold-blooded then how can they live in Skyrim?

Anyways, to simple say it. Argonians are a mix of both Mammal, and Reptile, and share traits from both sides, one being this.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:43 am

Why do Argonian females have briasts? Yeah, I get that games are designed by geeks that hypersixualize women which is why women are running around the frozen tundra in skimpy fur bikinis that couldn't possibly keep them warm let alone protect them from any errant sword thrust, but these are reptilian people. Reptiles do not briast feed. So why the briasts?

Um, TES was never known for their sixualization of women, and if it were they'd perhaps do a better job with cleaning that dirt off their faces :lol:

Mods on the other hand..
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:17 pm

The briasts are full of hist sap instead of milk

that way if she gives birth outside of black marsh the kid has a chance of not just being a common lizard.
Now there's an idea! Then female Argonian briasts represent the last traces of tree-like physiology in the Argonians.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:53 pm

Lizards also don't talk, aren't sapient, don't have hands etc.

Why is is this human trait any different to the others?


And to be fair, the skimpy fur outfits are just as skimpy when worn by men.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:54 am

They hatch from eggs, listen to the dialogue about shadowscales in the brotherhood also in Oblivion.

There is no given reason for argonian briasts in any of the games that I've seen and no reason to rely on human sixual dimorphism to tell the difference.

There are mammals that lay eggs. Who says there aren't? Google 'Spiny Anteater' and 'Duckbilled Platypus'. They are called monotremes. :nerd:

Why do Argonian females have briasts? Because they are fictional video game lizard-people, that's why. Do we really need to debate the biology of the matter beyond that? You must not be a Star-Trek fan if you can't understand that female=briasts no matter how crazy and improbable the creature. :geek:
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:11 pm

Why do Argonian females have briasts? Because they are fictional video game lizard-people, that's why. Do we really need to debate the biology of the matter beyond that? You must not be a Star-Trek fan if you can't understand that female=briasts no matter how crazy and improbable the creature. :geek:

So we should be content of this morally questionable sixualisation of everything sixualizable? A woman equals more than just boobs, and putting boobs on a reptile doesn't mean it'll be a female. There's all the anthropomorphism anyway about human-looking reptiles and cats; reptiles are reptiles and cats are cats, why should they stand on two human legs, have a tail that resembles more to a stick than a real living animal tail, have human hands, speech, and BOOBS???

Every race feels the same when playing it in Skyrim.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:13 pm

...A woman equals more than just boobs, and putting boobs on a reptile doesn't mean it'll be a female. ...

Boobs=/=female
However,
Female=boobs

Sorry, bub. We want [censored] on our lizard people. There can never be enough boobs in a video game. Ever.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:10 am

So we should be content of this morally questionable sixualisation of everything sixualizable? A woman equals more than just boobs, and putting boobs on a reptile doesn't mean it'll be a female. There's all the anthropomorphism anyway about human-looking reptiles and cats; reptiles are reptiles and cats are cats, why should they stand on two human legs, have a tail that resembles more to a stick than a real living animal tail, have human hands, speech, and BOOBS???

Every race feels the same when playing it in Skyrim.

I don't know any natural creature that is not female yet has briasts. So briasts = Female.

Also, Skyrim does not sixualize females in this game at all. It isn't like the female armor is skimpier than the male armor. No pixelated bounce on those boobs either.

When they made Skyrim, they made it with everyone in mind, so things are generalized. Like the Dragonborn. Marketable as something "cool" and makes the player stand out in a positive way. When really, doesn't matter if your Dragonborn in the game. Or the fact that Dragons are the central focus in this game. Skyrim out sold Oblivion just for that fact alone. Who knows what an Oblivion gate is? Everyone knows what a Dragon is.

So yeah, female = boobs. So lizard lady got boobs. Just generalized so the average person "get's it" and gets the game for $60. And then six sells, in every normal and twisted way possible.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:13 am

sixual dimorphism.

"briasts" aren't the only form of sixual dimorphism.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:07 pm

Also, Skyrim does not sixualize females in this game at all. It isn't like the female armor is skimpier than the male armor. No pixelated bounce on those boobs either.

Right, instead the armor is simply a metal version of their body shape, while male armor is actually armor-shaped.

You're right about why they did it, but you don't call that sixualized? I think it's pretty obvious that it is sixualized, especially if you're going to say "six sells" after you just argued that it wasn't.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:14 pm

^^^
Dude. The human body is sixualized. That's why we are all here... unless you were cloned in a test tube, or something.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:50 am

It seems to be that all of the lore that would try to answer this question attempts to evade it by saying that Black Marsh is remote and inhospitable. (The same thing pretty much goes for answering questions about khajiit offspring and just how exactly these moon phases determine their sub-species... call me a skeptic, but I don't see a large housecat birthing something that will turn into a 8-foot-tall tiger man.) This annoys me greatly, because it assumes that,

1.) All argonians must return to Black Marsh in order to breed, and
2.) Argonians never leave Black Marsh until advlthood (evading observations on infant care or what children look like).

There is also something in the lore that describes them as being able to flip genders. In which case, briasts or not, their entire sixually dimorphic mentality is blown right out of the water. What I mean by this is, you shouldn't really see argonians giving a real flip about cross-dressing or gender roles. "The Lusty Argonian Maid" would probably irritate them, and beyond the obvious, marriage would probably get kinda awkward. This, and I have yet to hear an in-game story about how Tar-Ja the female saucy tavern wench left for Black Marsh and returned Kud-Ei the male not-so-saucy tavern wench.

I think Skyrim could have done a great deal to answer questions about the lore since they decided it would be okay to include NPC children. (Goes for all the mer and the khajiit, too.)

I do agree that argonians have briasts simply because of market appeal, not because of what makes sense. Honestly, the argonian females are kind of disappointing compared to the appearance of the males anyway. But if they wanted them to make sense, they would have made the genders sized differently, males would either be far more colorful (or have different colors), they'd have CLAWS (.....*$*#&@($.....), they'd be digitigrade, helmets wouldn't cut off their face, and their voices wouldn't make them sound no different than a mild-mannered Imperial.


Edit: As for argonians being reptiles... I actually think they're more like dinosaurs. LOL. Hear me out -- the fact that they can even walk around in Skyrim without difficulty and dare to swim in its waters tells me they're warm-blooded, plus their four-chambered hearts, makes them more like dinosaurs than reptiles.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:10 pm

I do agree that argonians have briasts simply because of market appeal, not because of what makes sense. Honestly, the argonian females are kind of disappointing compared to the appearance of the males anyway. But if they wanted them to make sense, they would have made the genders sized differently, males would either be far more colorful (or have different colors), they'd have CLAWS (.....*$*#&@($.....), they'd be digitigrade, helmets wouldn't cut off their face, and their voices wouldn't make them sound no different than a mild-mannered Imperial.
I don't think that they have briasts because of market appeal. I think they have briasts for resource reasons (don't have to design different meshes for females, don't have to force game to work with different models for different races, etc) and the market appeal made briasted Argonian females a viable option. Same reason they had briasts in Oblivion, and same reason Khajiit and Argonian legs mutated to be more human after Morrowind.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:21 pm

I don't think that they have briasts because of market appeal. I think they have briasts for resource reasons (don't have to design different meshes for females, don't have to force game to work with different models for different races, etc) and the market appeal made briasted Argonian females a viable option. Same reason they had briasts in Oblivion, and same reason Khajiit and Argonian legs mutated to be more human after Morrowind.

Argonian and Khajiit legs were more human in the first place. They just tried out the whole mutated thing in Morrowind and didn't wish to do it anymore. But I do agree with what you are saying here. A bit.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:27 pm

The idea of gender-changing was a rather liberal embellishment of one poetic phrase in Morrowind, and because the UESP wiki had it as canon on the article for a while, now everyone thinks it's true. It has neither been confirmed nor denied, but consensus among the lore-forum goers is usually against it.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:48 am

The idea of gender-changing was a rather liberal embellishment of one poetic phrase in Morrowind, and because the UESP wiki had it as canon on the article for a while, now everyone thinks it's true. It has neither been confirmed nor denied, but consensus among the lore-forum goers is usually against it.

I think basically .. well...

Several years, five full-blown games, many expansions, a mobile game, and some books later.. and we still have no idea how some of the most centric races reproduce.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:14 pm

Um, TES was never known for their sixualization of women, and if it were they'd perhaps do a better job with cleaning that dirt off their faces :lol:

Poor Daggerfall...seems you've been cut out of the official TES series.
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